R25 Yanmar 150hp DIY Oil/Filter change with surprise ending

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This is a report of me performing my own very FIRST oil & filter change on my R25 with a Yanmar 150 hp engine.

I'm posting this for at least two reasons - 1) To show that a DIY oil/filter change is fairly straight forward and shouldn't take much more than 1.5 hrs for a beginner and 2) to pop some questions (highlighted in red below) I'd really like to get answers for.

I want to thank Bob (Nellie Too) for lending me his electrical oil changing pump out system and for his early advice prior to me performing this engine maintenance task. I also want to thank Andrew Custis who answered my telephone call early Saturday evening concerning the new oil filter I had planned to use (more on this below).

Summary

I loaned the electrical oil changer system from Bob -- which proved to be very handy, clean and easy to use for this task. These systems can cost anywhere from $50 to $200. Bobs' was a Shurflo Oil Change unit that sells for $167.99 at West Marine - Model # 6836175, Man # 8050-305-426. Manual systems obviously cost less.

The overall task took about 1.5 hours (20 mins for engine oil warmup to 135-140 deg F, 5 mins to loosen oil filter cap, 25 mins to extract oil, 10 mins to fill engine with new oil, 10 mins for changing oil filter and 20 mins for new engine oil warmup and checking for proper oil level -- more on this last item later as I got quite a scary surprise). Add say another 30 mins for taking the old/spent oil to Shucks for proper disposal and you have some 2 hours needed to perform this task.

The Yanmar 150 hp engine requires 8.5 quarts of oil so to be safe I bought 3x 1gal bottles of oil (Valvoline Premium Blue SAE 15W-40 Diesel Engine Oil branded Cummins from Shucks-O'Reilly Auto Parts on sale for $8.99 per gallon -- regulary $13.99/gal)

Yanmar Oil filter on hand from Ranger Tugs was Part # 165000-69590 (and more on this later as it was this that caused me to call Andrew for help).

Details

First I idled the engine for some 20 mins to allow the engine oil to warm up. I decided 135 to 140 deg F reading on the Yanmar engine display reading should be sufficient for this.

1. Setup the oil changing system by connecting its leads to a single 12v +ive/-ive battery terminals. The system's motor has an on/off switch so this is safe to do. I positioned the system in the cockpit just outside of the cabin door and had the 3.5 gal oil catching bucket placed in a large deep tray to protect the cockpit from any accident involving the bucket tipping over. The motor makes the bucket top heavy and can easily tip over when the bucket is initially empty.

2. Now I held open the engine access door (the step just inside cabin door) using a bungee with hook at each end -- one hook just jammed in crack running around the cockpit engine cover and the other simply over the leading edge of the engine access door/step.

3. Remove oil dip stick and move a rubber hose from engine side of the oil dip stick's tube to the other side to allow better access for removing the oil filter casing. There's a large molded hex nut on top of the oil filter casing which is used to aid unscrewing the casing. The size of this I found to be approximately 1-7/16 inch (or 36mm). The Yanmar service instructions say that a socket should be used rather than an adjustable or open wrench for unscrewing the oil filter canister. I used an adjustable wrentch (my bad). 😉

4. The oil filter casing is now unscrewed with no more than one or two complete turns. Presumably this is for allowing the oil to drain from the filter and to allow air into the engine's oil system and making it easier to pump out the oil. If you do use an open wrench it needs to be a short handle one as there's little room to swing the handle.

5. The small diameter tubing of the oil change unit is now inserted down the oil dip stick tube. Slid it down slowly until there's significant resistance. When reaching this point pull the tube up and reinsert just to make sure it's down all the way.

6. OK -- now ready to turn the oil change system's motor. After turning the motor on oil should start being pumped out and can easily be seen traveling up the white tube at first. To check that it continues to extract the oil look into the bucket to satisfy yourself oil is exiting into the bucket.

7. It took approximately 25 mins to extract all the oil. The motor will make a very different noise when there's no more oil for it to suck up, plus you will see air gaps and bubbles traveling up the white tube.

8. Remove the white tube from the oil dip stick tube and secure the end with a rag as soon as it end comes out of the oil dip stick tube to avoid oil drips.

9. Now unscrew the oil filter casing and carefully extract the filter while holding a plastic bag to place it in as quickly as you can -- to avoid oil dripping down to the bilge. There shouldn't be much if any oil if it has drained nicely during the 25 mins it took to extract the engine oil.

10. The filter is removed by pulling it off the central spindle -- you may need to pull forcibly as it could be seated down and stuck in some. Leave the old filter in the plastic bag.

11. Installing the new filter -- this is where I had some concern. The new filter did not look quite like the old filter (see photo below). I studied the issue some and ended up thinking something was amiss. It was at this point I decided to call Andrew to get some advice. To cut a long story short Andrew quickly determine the new filter I had was the wrong part. I had part # 165000-69590 and it should have been 165000-69520. So I was somewhat relieved but now having removed the old engine oil and filter what was I to do this early Saturday evening? I decided that I would use the old oil filter and replace it later when obtaining the correct filter part. I reinstalled the old oil filter without replacing any of the O-rings. Fingers crossed. 😉

12. I now filled the engine with 8 quarts of oil using a funnel placed into oil filler hole. Just before I reached 8 quarts I inserted the oil dip stick to check the oil level. I waited about 3-5 mins and then checked the oil level. It was not quite at the full mark. So I poured in the remaining oil for a total of 8 quarts. This told me I had extracted around 8 of the 8.5 quarts of the old oil.

13. Ok - the final steps. I removed the Oil Change kit's electrical lines from the battery and closed up the cockpit's battery cover. Tidied up the Oil Change unit and moved it to rear of cockpit to be out of the way. I ensured the engine's seacock was open and prepared to start the engine.

14. I started the engine and the oil pressure alarm sounded. Geeeesh, what have I done or not done I thought... I quickly shut down the engine. I scratched my head... I checked the engine and engine bay for oil spills... none were to be found... it all looked OK... so what on earth is wrong ?

15. I decided I had done nothing wrong and that maybe the engine oil system simply had to prime. So I started the engine again and thank goodness there was no alarm. This oil pressure alarm was very scary and surprised me. Can others comment on this ? Is this to be expected ? Did I not perform the oil change process correctly and/or did I miss doing something that would have avoided the oil pressure alarm ?

16. I allowed the engine to idle for some 10 mins while watching the oil pressure and temperature carefully. All was well and I stopped engine and waited 5 mins before checking the oil level. The dip stick showed the correct level.

17. Before lowering the engine access step/door I decided to take the opportunity to re-position the rubber strips on the step's/door's under surface as they were not engaging the fibre glass surfaces the closed step rested on. I did this thinking the engine noise would be lessened in the cabin. I have to say it did seem to work but cannot quantify the sound level decrease other than to say it was simply my perception of less noise.

Here are some photo shots I took as I performed the oil/filter change.

My adjustable wrench showing the opening size for the oil filter casing's hex nut
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Hex nut on top of oil filter casing
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Tube inserted into the oil dip stick tube
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Engine access step/door opened for access to oil dip stick, oil filter casing and oil filler cap
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Oil Change kit - Bucket and tray
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Photo showing the hose repositioned to other side of oil dip stick tube to make it easier to get at the hex nut on the oil filter casing.
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Oil filter casing with filter removed (slightly out of focus).
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The old oil filter still attached to the spindle
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The wrong part # for the R25 Yanmar 150hp engine oil filter
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This is what the wrong oil filer looks like
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This raised rubber ring is what alerted me to the oil filter being the wrong part as the old filter did not have this, plust there was no use I could find for the provided copper washer!
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The proper part # is 165000-69520
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This is the oil brand/type I used
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This is a typical Oil Change Kit sold at West Marine
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Great DIY story and pix. Congratulations on a successful operation.

Yes, a low pressure alarm is quite normal after an oil change. If you change your own oil on a car or truck, as I do, you will always notice the low oil pressure light or a low gage reading (if you're lucky to have more than an "idiot light") right after a change. It will go out in a few seconds. If you had left your engine running, it would have as soon as pressure built up.

Too bad about the filter but boy what service you Ranger Tug folks get from your builders. If only they would buy C-Dory and give us some of the same!

Charlie
 
Ya did good....
Now you are an expert and qualified to to teach 🙂

cheers
 
Yanmar doesn't require or recommend synthetic oil?
 
Excellent report on the oil change. I would recommend getting the correct 6 point socket, extension and wrench to fit the casing. I tend to buy the exact tool for the job and keep it just for that job, in a handy kit, if possible.

A friend had a similar oil filter problem on a Yanmar. His engine used a spin on filter for which the previous owner installed the wrong filter. When NAPA cross referenced the wrong filter, an even worse match was made which resulted in 6 qts of oil in the bilge!

Moral: Buy a case of the correct filters from Yanmar!
 
Larry H":gnvrn4hr said:
Excellent report on the oil change. I would recommend getting the correct 6 point socket, extension and wrench to fit the casing. I tend to buy the exact tool for the job and keep it just for that job, in a handy kit, if possible.

A friend had a similar oil filter problem on a Yanmar. His engine used a spin on filter for which the previous owner installed the wrong filter. When NAPA cross referenced the wrong filter, an even worse match was made which resulted in 6 qts of oil in the bilge!

Moral: Buy a case of the correct filters from Yanmar!

Yes -- I've ordered a 36mm socket for all my future oil filter changes. I also note that when tightening the oil filter cap it's important not to over tighten it. If this is is done it can make removing the old oil filter quite difficult later on as it pushes the filter hard up against the retaining clips in the upper part of the oil filter casing.

Do you have a reference for ordering the Yanmar oil filters ?
 
I'm curious why none of the images showed up when I viewed the very helpful post.

I'm part way through the change on my 4BY2 Yanmar - and I can't figure out how to get the filter off the filter cap?????

I went to the BMW UTube photos - but the Yanmar oil filter cap is nothing like the BMW - it has (or at least mine has) an area below the filter that expands - 4 prongs - to retain the filter - forever as far as I can tell.

How do I remove the filter from the cap?

Thanks
 
Sorry to bug everyone with the detective tale.

When I removed the filter cover, there was a long black shaft that went through the cartridge. At the bottom of the cartridge, there was a 4-part plastic dodad that looked like a 4 arm molly that is inserted into a wall and expands.

Mine has expanded and just like a wall molly, I see no way to unexpand it to remove the filter.

The filter cover, Yanmar part number 165000-69500 looks nothing like the cover I removed - who would think?

Does anyone remember or have a photo of their filter cover?

Should I just go ahead and buy the right part?

Thanks for the help - I'm up the creek without a filter cover.
 
captstu":lslrdmgl said:
Sorry to bug everyone with the detective tale.

When I removed the filter cover, there was a long black shaft that went through the cartridge. At the bottom of the cartridge, there was a 4-part plastic dodad that looked like a 4 arm molly that is inserted into a wall and expands.

Mine has expanded and just like a wall molly, I see no way to unexpand it to remove the filter.

The filter cover, Yanmar part number 165000-69500 looks nothing like the cover I removed - who would think?

Does anyone remember or have a photo of their filter cover?

Should I just go ahead and buy the right part?

Thanks for the help - I'm up the creek without a filter cover.

Might help if you post a pic of what you have.
The shaft that goes through the filter is pointed at the bottom of the filter and has 2 o rings. If that's not what you have then something is definitely screwed up. To answer your question on your other post only the large o ring on the cap comes with the filter, the 2 smaller ones are ordered separately.
 
Good idea - I'll be at the boat Sunday and take a photo.

The cover you describe is exactly what the cover looks like in the Yanmar parts manual for 165000-69510.

Mine, between the two O rings, has a 1" or so piece of split plastic that is divided into 4 sections. A photo would do it justice.

thanks
 
My experience has been that it can be hard to remove the filter off the shaft. I usually place the entire assembly in a large plastic zip lock. I them sit the pointed end on a hard surface, grasp the filter cartridge and push down hard. It will then release and you can slide the cartridge off the rest of the way.
hope this helps.

Mike Rizzo
 
Mike,

Thank you for your comment. That technique would work if my filter looked like the filter in the parts catalog.

Just below the filter (if it is placed on a zip lock with the tip pointing down), the shaft expands to about 1" - caused by the 4 defined quarters of the shaft splitting as a molly bolt does when you screw it into a plaster wall.

If I push the tip down, the expansion gets bigger.

I think the wrong filter cap is installed on my engine, but maybe the entire filter holder was changed and if I put in the right filter, it won't work, because it is 2" shorter than mine.

I was hoping to find the same problem on another boat.

I'll post a photo as soon as I get to the boat again. /Stu
 
The goal in oil changes is twofold, first get all the old oil that you can out and second, you want to minimize the low pressure run time post change start up. Use your oil removal device to get any residual out of the filter canister, you mentioned it appeared to drain itself and that's fine. As a guideline for removing oil from the crankcase I lay the dip stick alongside the suction tube and mark the suction tube at the full length of the dip stick, hopefully ensuring the tube end is on or near the bottom of the crankcase and doesn't get too much length pushed down the hole causing the tube end to ricochet off the bottom of the crankcase and turn upward. Your technique of pushing and pulling the tube towards the end of the process while listening is the way I do it, measuring the amount that you've removed is the conformation of complete success.

After I place the filter element in its canister I fill the canister with fresh oil, this helps minimizes the time to prime or re-pressurize the system. You'll need to top it off a time or two because the level of oil falls as the filter element absorbs it. On my truck, I fill the new filter and watch it drop back down half way as the element absorbs oil, I typically end up topping it off three or four times so it's actually full of oil!
 
Well, hopefully you can work through it. It seems odd that Yanmar would change they style. Incidentally, on mine you can also release the shaft that the filter slips onto from the screw cap.
 
an excellent job on the oil change ! a cautionary note, (fortunately not necessary for OP 🙂 the biggest mistake a newcomer makes in doing an oil change is to assume that if the engine's oil reservoir capacity is 8 qtr or 5 qts or what ever your engine says , you just pump out the old oil and add that exact amount of fresh oil shown as your particular engine's capacity . so i add:

1. keep your oil topped up so the oil level is close to the higher line of the two lines on your dipstick. (the 'oil OK' line. )
2. when you are ready to change the oil (with engine 'hot') be sure to measure how much oil you pump out.

3. don't add more fresh oil 'in' than the amount of 'old ' oil you pumped out..

if you just add the full 'capacity' amount of oil after pumping out the old oil, you may overfill your engine. the is very bad and can blow seals and do permanent damage in the yan mars. not all of the oil comes out when you use the pump; some remains in the oil pan. so measure carefully how much oil comes out....
 
Good post!
How come I can't see the photos?
 
I know I’m replying to an old post, but I found that the Yanmar filter is a Mann HU422, which coincidentally is the same filter used in a 2006 Audi A5 V6. The Yanmar version from my local diesel shop here on Vancouver Island was $92 plus taxes ($CDN) while the exact same Mann filter at Canadian Tire was $20.
 
Ursus":3sm1nsu3 said:
I know I’m replying to an old post, but I found that the Yanmar filter is a Mann HU422, which coincidentally is the same filter used in a 2006 Audi A5 V6. The Yanmar version from my local diesel shop here on Vancouver Island was $92 plus taxes ($CDN) while the exact same Mann filter at Canadian Tire was $20.

That’s a different Mann part number from what I have been using unless they have changed the number. I buy 3 filters for $38.00 on Ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Audi-V6-Oil-Fi ... 3255446215
 
The previous owner of my Yanmar 4BY2-180 powered R27 left a Mann HU-722z oil filter end flap in the spares box. It is now an obsolete part number. The new Mann part number is HU-7029z. The last two changes, I used a Purolator L45598. Same filter.
 
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