R27/OB's and R29 CB's wake formation at speed

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Subject: R27/OB's and R29 CB's wake formation at speed

I always admired my R27/OB's wake formation when it was moving at speed, and thought it to be an exclusive to the boat's outboard motor.

However, now owning the 2019 R29 CB NW Edition with its wonderful performing D4-300 Diesel engine I'm mightily impressed with it's wake when moving the boat at speed, and as much as I was with the R27/OB's wake. 😀

Here's the R27/OB traveling fast -> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1A5epZ6adsmCO

Here's the R29 CB traveling fast -> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1AGGXqixGpsaOx

I'm actually quite amazed 😱 at how similar the two wakes are given the R27/OB has a planing hull shape whereas the R29 has a semi-displacement hull shape. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can explain this? 🙂
 
SgtAlf":3goif4nw said:
Who's that little sweetheart on the 29? What a cutie!
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Youngest and fearless granddaughter - Perrin.
 
hey Barry are you storing your downrigger ball in the cupholder!? be careful; you dont want that thing bouncing around in big waves!
 
Cutwater28GG":1cqkjx1a said:
hey Barry are you storing your downrigger ball in the cupholder!? be careful; you dont want that thing bouncing around in big waves!
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Yes I do store it (the cannon ball) in the port side transom cup holder. So far have not had any issues with it 'jumping' out and I've been severely rocked about with it in that location with it not budging. It is attached to the down rigger boom so if it were to jump out it will not go far, but would be a danger I suppose. I could have it lowered to the corner of the cockpit floor to be safer. Thanks for bringing this up. 🙂

I've seen other boats with the cannon ball located on a hook attached to the boom, but surely that is worse than my cup holder location. If the cannon ball were to be loose, it's better for it to be inside the cockpit vs. loose on its line on the outside and bouncing on the hull side.
 
yeah I dont like them hooked on either. a bunch of boats have them mounted in holes near the floor so if they pop out they dont have far to fall.
 
Hi Barry,

I have the Canon Mag 10’s and used the hook on the boom on my previous boat (Trophy) for 5+ years. Way rougher ride than my R31 and never had a problem with the 12 lb balls even coming close to hopping off the hook.

By the way, I absolutely love Canon downriggers compared to the Scotty’s I’ve used.
 
A bit OT.... but no matter...

Well, that's a good thing to hear about. The hook obviously does a better job holding onto the cannon ball than what I envision. Thanks. So Canon vs. Scotty.... what are the +ives and -ives comparing these two down riggers ?

I will admit, for my Scotty down rigger when the boom is deployed out with a 12 lb cannon ball suspended from it, the lever/tab to rotate and lift the boom is almost impossible to operate no matter how much down pressure I place on the lever/tab. The further out I place the boom the more difficult it becomes to use the lever/tab to release the boom's position and relocate it. The amount of force moment on the down rigger's base becomes enormous and obviously causes this issue. I've found no alternative to resolving this issue except by not deploying the boom out too far.

The other awkward thing that plagues me is after attaching the gripper to my rod's line with the flasher having been played out some 30 feet or so is controlling the rod's line feed as the cannon ball is lowered. The Scotty's down rigger clutch lever is kind of non linear such that the ball drops fast or slow without there being anything in between. This leads to me having to carefully control the rod's line spooling from the reel with my left hand/thumb as I operate the lowering lever/clutch with my right hand to allow the ball to drop to my desired depth and there are times when I lose control of the reel spooling the line out and end up with a nasty line tangle on the reel, or worse still having the line pull out from the gripper. Retrieving the ball and retrieving the rod's line at same time is also awkward for me. Just what are the best techniques for avoiding these issues ? It seems to me that both of these activities require two people to help avoid issues as I've described here.
 
Canon positives: No slip/clutch for submerging the ball. It is motor down and motor up. This means no belts to wear out or clutch pads to maintain. They also seem to be more robust in the case material and overall build. The power cord is also stronger, but you’d need to replace the receptacles on the boat. The only thing that Scottys have that are an advantage is that the boom swings up when you are attaching the line to the clip. They are also slightly less expensive. Depending upon your reach that is an advantage. I am not sure why, but Scottys have a big following in the PNW, where Canons are more popular in the midwest and Great Lakes. Maybe because Canon is is part of Minnekota based in MN?

WRT your line slipping out of the clip: There are basically three styles of clips. The Scotty clips work great, (they are black with some green or yellow trim) but If you are new to using them, there is a tension setting that is activated by sliding the the non clip end in or out. It is hard to describe in words, but it is the part where the heavy mono filament part joins the clip. You can push it in or out to change how hard the clip pinches your line. You should also orient your line off the reel to match the line that is inscribed on the clip.

Another factor is if you are using braided or mono fishing line. Braided tends to slip out easier of standard Scotty or Canon clips. The third style is a clip that has a hinged mechanism that works better with braided line.

I get the best salmon fishing advice from Outdoor Emporium in Sodo. They have knowledgeable staff and handle all the tackle and downrigger gear from both brands.

Good luck with the fishing. It looks to be a good year for Pinks and Coho!
 
Haifisch: Thanks.... Each time I go out fishing and using the down rigger I am getting better at using it each time. It's a matter of practice I suppose. This coming Saturday my grandson and I will be going out in the wee hours to try our luck. My grandson and I are both newbies at fishing and we are both thoroughly hooked on the activity. 😀 :roll: 😎
 
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