Rancid water

Capt. Wanabe

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Fluid Motion Model
C-28
Hull Identification Number
FMLT2721H010
Non-Fluid Motion Model
River King
Vessel Name
My Precious
After owning our boat for over a year we have yet to get to the bottom of the original fresh water fill. The water now smells so bad my wife refuses to even turn on the tap. I haven't found a good way to rapidly flush the fresh water system. I tried simply turning on all of the fresh water outlets but soon got tired of listening to the poor pumps wearing themselves out with no hint as to how much more water that had to be cleared. Please tell me that there is a quick way to flush the fresh water system.

Frank
 
Well, you could slide a hose down the water fill pipe and siphon the tank...

OTOH, I would think that if you open the kitchen faucet (put a hose over it and run that overboard), and hang the shower head out the port, and turn on the fresh water washdown in the cockpit you would have both pumps runnig continuously - it is less than 30 gallons, so it should happen in 10-12 minutes or so...

Being the lazy type I would opt for the siphon job...
OTOH, it is probably a good time to contemplate cutting the opening in the bulkhead for access to the fresh water tank... Once there, you could drill a plug hole into the tank and install a drain...
 
If a water hose into the outside fill will not work try a smaller diameter section of tubing (I had not previously thought of that & will attempt that this fall). The tank holds 30 gallons and last about a month on my boat just enough to keep water from getting bad. I would not recommend leaving water in tank for extended periods because algea or other "bad stuff" could fowl your pump. Many RVs have a tank drain valve but our boats do not (it would have to drain to bilge. I pump out all remaining water until I get air each fall and winterize tank.

If the existing water is fowl I would pump it out until you get air then go through several cycles of short partial refills and pump-outs. I would put a small amount of bleach in tank during first partial refil and let it sit for a while before pumping out.

If you use fresh water infrequently one trick is to routinely use the shower to help flush toilet.

If you pump water into either sink the sink drains just dunk directly overboard but the shower will activate the sump pump. One of the good things on boats is that toilet uses raw water rather than fresh water extending the time between fillups. That is also a bad thing because the water can go stale and you have to deal with the raw water in the sewage system (stinks faster than if fresh water used).
 
Put a couple cap fulls of bleach in the tank. It will kill anything that is creating a smell. This is also a trick we would do cruising down in Mexico. It would make the water safe for washing things, brushing your teeth and showering. Nothing can live in bleach. Remember less is more so do not over do it. After all the city water you may drink out of you taps has bleach in it. We always drink bottled water never the less.

Stuart
 
The fastest way I have found to drain the water tank is to remove a hose from the water heater..... This not only drains your water tank, but also the hot water heater. Fortunately, we do not have to worry about the water in our fresh water tank going bad. The hose "blows" off of the water heater about once a month..... We have the cleanest bilge in all of the PNW! Nothing is better than running hot water through your bilge once a month.......
 
The bleach idea works very well. Many years we had a similar problem but it took a lot longer to pump 225 gallons. My brother gave me the bleach idea (He is a Physician) and we never had another problem. Make sure and use very little at a time.
Bob
 
The bleach method has worked fine for us on Tug O' War for the last three years. I put in 3/4 of a quart to a 30 gallon tank of water. That makes the solution about 1/2 of one percent bleach. This may be a little much for some people. The water smells like swimming pool water. Not a problem since we don't drink it. We drink and cook with bottled water.
 
Spirit of Gratitude":3681hazd said:
Put a couple cap fulls of bleach in the tank. It will kill anything that is creating a smell. This is also a trick we would do cruising down in Mexico. It would make the water safe for washing things, brushing your teeth and showering. Nothing can live in bleach. Remember less is more so do not over do it. After all the city water you may drink out of you taps has bleach in it. We always drink bottled water never the less.

Stuart

Hi Stuart,
I have been doing the bleach thing for about 25 years ( wow where does the time go! ).
Works great.
Another thing I do twice a season, wether it needs it or not, is flush a gallon of white vinegar thru the head holding tank.
Not much of a concern on a newer boat, but a boat with several years on her, well, I'd rather not go into it. :~O

Chris
 
A retired sailor goin back to Power.
seeing how we just purchased a r 27 athe the Maimi show I would like to throw a answer at ya for this water thing

We have been sailing a cat for 15 years and its always laid up for 6 moths at a time.. Sometimes up north but mostly down in Ga. area. Each time we get ready to do our cruise in Novemeber from Ga to Bahama I dump couple pints into our 100 gal tanks. Flush well and run throught the entire system. That kills all the nasties in there. After a good flush, I then dump a half box of Baking Soda. Back in the early 90s with our PDQ someone said it will make the lines sweet and kill the bleach smell. IT has worked for years doing this. I then add a 1/4 cup of bleach to the tanks 100 gals each about every fillup. We have never had a problem with stinky water.
 
Over a year without emptying the tank? I would think you have a real "science experiment" growing there. We have been living mobile (RVs and boats) for a couple decades; dealing with a fresh water tank is just part of the experience. You aren't going to burn out your pump by running it - that's what they were made to do. Like others, we use bleach to "shock" the tank and lines. I do this before any major trip, but the amount recommended seems to vary... according to the Department of Health for Washington State (http://www.doh.wa.gov/phepr/handbook/purify.htm), a teaspoon for each 10 gallons (2 teaspoons if the water is very cloudy or cold). That equates to 3 to 6 teaspoons for a 30 gallon tank (there are 192 teaspoons in a quart, by the way).

Mix the bleach in some water before you pour it into the fresh water tank. Almost top the tank off. Go boat for a while to let the bleach slosh around. Pump out all the water... if the noise bothers you, pump while you're running and you probably won't notice it. Or, pump out at the dock while you wash down the exterior of the boat (multi-tasking! 😎 ). Be sure to run water through ALL your lines to make sure they get sanitized, too. When the faucets start to spit air, turn off the pump and fill the tank again with fresh water. Flush it back out again. You will probably still smell some bleach at the faucet. Now, you're ready to fill again for water that you will use. If it still smells bleachy, put a bit of baking soda in the fresh water tank.

This routine is just part of the maintenance a fresh water system needs. We do this at least twice a year in both the boat and the RV. If you are out and about, you are putting water on at different places - it's just a good safety practice to occasionally shock your fresh water system. When filling up water at a marina or RV park, we always use a hose designed for drinking water (white or blue) and run the water before putting it in our tank. Smell it, too. And still put a couple drops of bleach in there.

All this will take you an hour at most, and you can be doing other things at the same time. It's maintenance - just like waxing your boat twice a year, changing oil, putting some Rain-X on the windows, flushing the motor, etc, etc. The best thing for your fresh water system is to use it - put that pump to work! 😉

One more tip: if your water pump is making a lot of noise, it may be due to vibration against the mount. On our boat, I took the pump off where it was mounted, put a bit of non-skid under it, and re-mounted it... it made a substantial reduction in the noise. Sometimes it is as simple as rerouting or securing a water line to reduce the noise.

The fresh water pump in our C-Dory was originally mounted in the bilge... literally where bilge water would get at it. Not surprisingly, it failed after a year or so. I moved the mounting higher and replaced the pump with one supplied by the factory... it died again after about 8 months. I replaced that pump with one made for a "water environment" (Really? A water pump not made for use in a water environment??). These days, we carry a spare when we are out cruising. We can make 30 gallons last a week if we need to conserve, but most of the time, we can go through that amount in a couple days/nights out (as long as we know we can get more). Run the pump - free the water! :mrgreen:

Hope that helps.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
On my R25 I pump through a minimum of three full tanks of fresh water when purging out the system after winter storage - to get all the RV antifreeze out...
Your worry about the pump is misplaced - the manufacturer tortured it for thousands of running hours during development of the pump... Be sure your battery charger is on then open the faucets and have at it - hang the shower head out the port hole or out the out the overhead and turn it on also... You can crack the drain valve on the water heater to enhance the flow rate...
Then fill up fresh and do the more concentrated shock treatment on a full tank of fresh water, like a gallon of bleach(including run some the bleach water through all the faucets until you smell it), wait for 24 hours then empty that, then flush a full tank of fresh water through it, then refill with fresh water and add bleach to that (1/8 teaspoon per gallon)and you are good to go...

Here is a table I absconded off the net - they use twice as much bleach than I do ...
I have found the 1/8 teaspoon per gallon to do the job and not be too strong... We also use this concentration in the chickens drinking water here at the farm...

Anyway, they recommend:
4 drops bleach per quart or liter container of water
8 drops bleach per 2-quart, 2-liter, or ½ gallon container of water
16 drops bleach, or 1/4 teaspoon, per gallon or 4-liter container of water

When treating larger quantities of water, use the following table to convert drops to standard measuring units.

8 drops = 1/8 teaspoon
16 drops = 1/4 teaspoon
32 drops = ½ teaspoon
64 drops = 1 teaspoon
192 drops = 1 Tablespoon
384 drops = 1/8 cup which is equal to 2 Tablespoons
 
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