Shower Sump Pump

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mmcdonald47

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Fluid Motion Model
C-26
Hull Identification Number
fmlr2517d112
Vessel Name
Walk-In-The-Water
When my new 25sc was delivered, Corey noticed that the shower sump pump was on and the only way he could get it to stop was to pull the fuse so that it would reset. This happened twice this week when the boat was on my lift. I have not had a chance to use the shower yet but I poured water into it to see if that would help reset it, it didn't work. The second time it happened I again pulled the fuse and the pump reset. The third time, I reset it by the fuse but to be safe I pulled the fuse and have left it out. Has anyone had this problem, I did a forum search but nothing showed up?
thanks,
Mike
 
Sounds like the pump is defective. If it's like the ones the C-Dory uses, it's a packaged unit with a pump/integral float switch in it and pretty hard to get to. I'd let the factory take care of it.


On edit and from another post by Andrew, may be the same sort of pump

by Andrew Custis on Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:38 pm

The bilge pumps on 2009 and newer all have an electronic float switch. No more floats getting clogged with debris. The float is wired hot to the battery and the pump is wired to the manual switch. Should never have to use the manual switch if the float is working correctly. We sell a cartridge for less than $20 but we would be happy to replace yours. I have not typically seen an impeller just fall off unless the pump ran hot for a long time without having water going through it. Let me know what we can do to help.

andrewcustis@rangertugs.com



Charlie
 
That last post was Andrew's response to my problem. The electronic switches have a small opening that can get clogged by debris. If that is the case with the shower sump,check the switch module. It has a samll slot type opening that can be cleared with a shot of CRC wire dry. My symptoms were identical to yours but you may not have the same set up. A small piece of wire, a connector or even small screw could be the problem. Pat, Ladybug, Too
 
My R25 (2008 model) came with newer electronic bilge sump switches (no movable float). However, the shower float is the old fashion movable float type. The newer type do not have the problem of stickly float which the older type will have. The shower sump must be cleaned often even when you don't use the shower since any water draining from bathroom floor goes to the sump container. I have had frequent problems with the sump pump turning "ON" with the sump dry. It always seem to clear the problem if I flush out the sump with soapy water. I have kept the fuse pulled when I do not expect to use the shower.

I suppose the only workaround is frequent cleaning/flushing and replacement of the original float switch.

This sump is very hard for an old guy with bad back to work on. Does anyone know a specific replacement (model number) solid state electronic pump/switch that might work instead of the OEM setup.
 
I just replaced the shower sump pump switch on my 2008 R-25. I had the opposite problem. My switch would not turn on. I like the suggestion to pull the fuse when the shower will not be used to avoid draining the batteries if the swtch sticks on, but it would be better if the sump pump was wired to the DC switch panel. That is a project for another day.

Here's a rough procedure for changing the switch;

Remove the access panel under the sink in the head.
Put a pad over the magnetic door latch to avoid banging your head.

To avoid skin removal from the back of your hands and wrists during the rest of this procedure, remove the sharp fiberglass edges from around the access hole with a utility knife and smooth with sandpaper.

Turn off the pressure water.

Use a headlamp for the balance of this procedure.

Loosen the clamps for the two water hoses that go laterally to the shower. Slide the clamps 6 inches to port and loosely tighten them for temporary storage. Pull the hoses off the T-fittings and push them out of the way.

Reach in and extract the wiring loops. From the boat there is a brown and black wire. There should be twelve volts across them.

There are four wires that come out of the sump tray. Two gray wires come from the switch. Two other wires (I forget the colors) come from the motor.

One of the gray wires from the switch is connected using a heat shrink butt connector to one of the wires coming up from the boat. The other gray wire from the switch is connected using a non-heat shrink butt connector to one of the two wires coming from the motor. The other wire from the motor is connected to the second wire coming up from the boat using a heat shrink butt connector.

I cut the gray wires from the switch and verified that I could turn the pump motor on and off by connecting the motor directly to the power from the boat. Therefore, I concluded that the problem was the switch and not the pump motor.

Next, carefully remove the four screws from the top of the plastic tray that houses the switch and motor. You'll need a very short phillips head screwdriver and lots of patience to do this slowly and avoid dropping the screws.

I had to completely remove the cover through the access port. This required bending it slightly to work it around what I think is a heater hose and a cable to the depth sounder and up through the access hole.

Remove the cylindrical screen from the sump input. This requires bending the edges of the tray outward to work the screen past the two mounting tabs.

Loosen about two turns the starboard mounting screw for the switch. This screw is over a slot on the swtich and should not be removed completely.

Remove the port mounting screw for the switch.

Extract the switch.

If the problem was the motor, you could extract it after the switch by pushing in the two mounting tabs, pulling up and then pulling it off the output hose.

I ordered a new switch from Defender for $36.

Replace the switch. Use butt connectors to rewire.

Verify operation before proceding. The switch has a small toggle on it with which you can manually move the hidden float up and down.

Heat shrink the butt connectors.

Reinstall the screen and plastic tray cover.

Reconnect the shower hoses to the T-connector and replace the access plate.

Really appreciate that next shower.

Good luck!
 
Good procedure but, apparently, your first step should have been

"Get out the first aid kit!" :mrgreen:

Charlie
 
If (more likely 'when') my shower pump acts up I am going to follow the above description, but when I get to the part about installing a new float, I will install a water proof toggle switch on the sink cabinet and we will manually control the pump from then on - kiss...
 
Denny,

Installing a manual switch is a fine idea. You could use a two position switch or, if you decided to keep the float switch, a bilge pump switch that has three positions; on, off and auto. It would eliminate both concerns of the float switch sticking on or sticking off. I'd also be less inclined to rewire the sytem to the DC panel.

Rich
 
Thanks for all the comments, especially the highly detailed instructions. An instruction sheet wouldn't have given me that much detail, great job. This will be weekend project, I'm sure, as you have to be a contortionist to get to the sump pump.

Mike
 
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