The all new 2018 R-27 with OB

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Subject: The all new 2018 R-27 with OB

The Ranger Tugs web site is now showing a few more details for their all new 2018 R-27 with the F300 outboard.

What are your thoughts about this new R-27 model. At this time it's not replacing the R-27 (Classic) with its inboard diesel engine, so both models will presumable be available.

The web site shows some of the new 2018 R-27 details and as its description state, many features/design-cues of the new R-27 are being borrowed from the R-29 S model.

1) Will this new R-27 have the flip up window that faces the cockpit ?
2) How does the speed of the new 2018 R-27 compare with the R-23 outboard model ?
3) Is the extended cockpit cover canvas or hardtop ?
4) The new R-27 includes the TV/DVD whereas for the R-23 this option is no longer. Will there be two TVs or just the one in the V-berth area ?
5) How many flip up/out seats in the cockpit ? I see one on the transom only.

I'm looking forward to seeing more interior photos for the all new 2018 R-27.
 
baz":23xm6ptd said:
1) Will this new R-27 have the flip up window that faces the cockpit ?
2) How does the speed of the new 2018 R-27 compare with the R-23 outboard model ?
3) Is the extended cockpit cover canvas or hardtop ?
4) The new R-27 includes the TV/DVD whereas for the R-23 this option is no longer. Will there be two TVs or just the one in the V-berth area ?
5) How many flip up/out seats in the cockpit ? I see one on the transom only.
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Have you asked the factory? They're pretty much on top of this stuff.
 
Thanks Bruce.... Yes, I had a chat with Andrew today about these questions.

1) Yes
2) Speed of the new 2018 R-27 will be comparable to the R-23... this is RT's target.
3) Cockpit cover is canvas and is standard.
4) More than likely the TV/DVD will be a single one in the V-berth area
5) There will be two flip up/down seats in the cockpit (one on transom and the other on port side providing seating for 4). With the starboard side flip open cabin window facing the cockpit this means 5 to 6 people can be facing the cockpit to enjoy that area.

In addition, the swim step holding the F300 (a V6 and not a 4-bangerl engine) is an integrated component to the boats decking and not a bolt-on like for the R-23. The Yamaha 9.9 kicker motor can reside in the same swim step indent so special motor bracket will be unnecessary, so I believe.

The cockpit contains a transom installed/integrated Kenyon electric grill (shore power or Gen set required). Also an optional cockpit Refrigerator is avail on port side against the cabin bulkhead.

The head/shower enclosure is self-contained with door fully closed when head occupied. 🙂

The table in the V-berth is now not removable (as on the R-23) and raises/lowers on a piston tube support. This is a good change IMO as it will make preparing the V-berth for sleeping easier and quicker.

The new 2018 R-27 is being built in the RT Kent factory.

The new 2018 R-27 will be on show/avialable to see at the Bremerton Trawlerfest later this month.

I intend to drop by Bremerton to see both the R-23 and R-27 to compare them side-by-side. 😀
 
One thing I would ask is whether this new model will come with an owner's manual. It seems like the company has stopped providing them for their new boats. I don't believe the R-23's or the R-29's have owners manuals. It is something I miss with my boat.
 
Owner's Manual 😱 Yes, I share your concern. Thanks for asking about this. 🙂

I'm sure RT is starting to lean on electronic forms of documentation.

Mind you, there are these to be had (unsure how up-to-date they might be though).

R-29 Owner's Manual --> http://www.tugnuts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2392
R-27 Owner's Manual --> http://www.tugnuts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1550
R-25 Owner's Manual --> http://www.tugnuts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=41
R-21 Owner's Manual --> http://www.tugnuts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=225
 
I wouldn't mind an electronic version of the owner's manual (I would actually prefer it). Unfortunately there is no electronic version available. The link you posted was for the older version of the R-29 (before all the changes in 2015). It is just this type of an owner's manual I would welcome for the current R-29's. I've asked when the factory plans on providing one and they can't provide an estimate. I understand the R-23 also don't have a manual. If the new R-27's come without one that would make three new models since 2015 and no owner's manuals. At this point I would assume the company just doesn't plan on providing them anymore. It's certainly a document I will miss (yes I know you can ask the factory questions and they are responsive but that should - IMHO - be in addition to the owner's manual not in replacement of it).
 
I do agree with you about the disappointment in not having the up-to-date Owner's Manuals beyond 2015, be it hard copy or electronic. I would like to see both as having a hard copy onboard is my preference.

An electronic copy could be resident in the Chart plotter's memory/storage space and be readily available for being displayed.
 
Unfortunately, the owner's manual referenced in the post above applies to the 2009 model. Lotsa changes since then...

TK
 
I should have said the "R25 owner's manual"....fat fingers.
 
I believe the new 2018 R-27 being shown at the Bremerton Trawlerfest is the Prototype-1. So I suspect it will be close to what the final production models will be like. RT has but just a week to get it all together. 😱
 
I guess RT makes their money on boats, not manuals.
 
FYI...

I had the chance to review and ask questions about the Yamaha F200 vs. the F300 today at my local Yamaha sales shop.

First, The F300 V6 is huge compared to the F200.

The F300 and F200 share many of the same features.

Today's MSRP prices (non commercial use)
F200 $16,675 on sale with a $19,610 MSRP (w/wire control, not mechanical controls)
F300 $22,540 on sale with a $26,500 MSRP (w/wire control, not mechanical controls)

The Yamaha control box "Command Link Plus" ... The display RT places on the helm console will run $1200 to $2500/$3000 depending on model.

The control display can be either 5" or 7". The 7" is a touch screen control (6YD-83710-00-00 for basic map and 6YD-8371-10-00 for detailed map)

A 5yr warranty for the F300 can be had for a mere $1800. 😱 ...and suspect same price for the F200.

Useful life for both the F200 & F300 should be up to 20 years depending on annual hours of use. Typical non-commercial use is between 50 to 75 hrs per year.

Maintenance for F200 & F300 is about the same.

The F300 is an older model than the F200. The F300 was released in 2010 and the F200 was released in 2012. Thus both engines have a few years of real use behind them to establish their reliability which is claimed to be excellent.
 
If you buy at the right time you can get he extended five year warranty at no extra charge.
 
Champ":3vmx9gr2 said:
If you buy at the right time you can get he extended five year warranty at no extra charge.
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Yes, this was mentioned to me a few weeks ago, but was not aware it would be $0. Thanks. 🙂
 
Hmmmm.... The Northwest Editions for the R-27 (Classic 😱 ) and the new modern 2018 R-27/OB are priced identically. 😉

IMO, the new 2018 R-27/OB is internally & externally stylistically similar to the new R-29 S model with the exception of the R-27's OB motor hanging off the back. Another comparison would be that the new R-27/OB is a larger version of the R-23/OB.

Comparing the R-23 with the new 2018 R-27/OB

I've done a fairly extensive price comparison between the Northwest Editions for the R-23/OB and the new 2018 R-27/OB models as they're offered on RT's web site.

If you load up the R-23 with options that are standard on the new 2018 R-27/OB and then subtract estimated costs off the new 2018 R-27's total price tab for all the other things the new 2018 R-27 offers that are simply not available for the R-23 I came up with a cost difference of around $41,000. This to me says the effective/real/value cost difference between the loaded R-23 and the new 2018 R-27 is around $41,000. Of course, in this case this really is only meaningful if you load up the R-23 with options that are same as standard for the R-27. The R-23 has the advantage of keeping the entry price much lower by not selecting the optional equipment for it.

Comparing cabin living space (the area between the aft cabin door and the helm bulkhead less the head enclosure) between the R27 (Classic) and the new 2018 R-27/OB is an interesting exercise and can only really be comprehended by comparing the planform of each.

The planform shows the new 2018 R-27/OB has less cabin length than for the R-27 (Classic), but has about the same overall living space square footage. This is because the head enclosure is moved from the cabin into the V-Berth area for the 2018 R-27/OB. Thus the head enclosure is more convenient to the V-Berth area than on the R-27 (Classic), and in addition provides the new 2018 R-27/OB's V-Berth with greater space; especially on the port side. As I said above, this is not immediately noticeable until you examine and compare the two planforms.

Some may argue the new 2018 R-27/OB is not a real Tug because of its outboard motor. Thus the R-27 (Classic) wins out on this aspect for some people.

Comparison of the R-27 (Classic) with the new 2018 R-27/OB - major items

If you see/know more then add them in follow up postings. Thanks... 🙂

Engines:
R-27 (Classic) 200HP inboard Volvo diesel
R-27/OB 300HP Yamaha outboard

Fuel tank capacity:
R-27 (Classic) 100 gallons
R-27/OB 150 gallons

Fresh water capacity:
R-27 (Classic) 50 gallons
R-27/OB 40 gallons

Head/shower enclosure
R-27 (Classic) Aft cabin, starboard side
R-27/OB Forward of Helm on Starboard side. Given its position compared to the R-27 (Classic) it provides superior rear view.

WOT (my estimates for flat seas)
R-27 (Classic) 18-23 Kts
R-27/OB 36 Kts

Cabin Glass
R-27 (Classic) Standard
R-27/OB Modern & Curved windshield with overhead skylights, plus cockpit raising window on starboard side

Hull
R-27 (Classic) Semi displacement and likely to handle rough water conditions better than for the R-27/OB.
R-27/OB Planing V-shaped with laminar flow interruptors

Cockpit seating
R-27 (Classic) transom fold down for two people
R-27/OB transom fold down and port side fold down for seating four people
R-27/OB optional refrigerator
R-27-/OB Has the cabin starboard side rear window that flips up and opens to cockpit with the port side aft dinette seat flipped providing more seating facing the cockpit.

Cockpit storage + facilities differences
The R-27/OB has a huge center locker assisted with opening via a piston. Mind you, opening this hatch requires nobody seating on the transom flip down seat. :lol:
The R-27/OB has a removal Kenyon electric grill (shore or Genset power required)

Cabin cave
R-27 (Classic) Standard with nav seat/desk
R-27/OB Standard without seat/desk plus it has two port lights as a bonus

V-Berth area
R-27 (Classic) Standard
R-27/OB Fixed piston up/down table allowing dining/conversational seating as required plus a nice clothing hanging compartment.

Helm
R-27 (Classic) Single person helm seat; folds up to improve galley counter space
R-27/OB Double person helm seat; flips to provide seating at dinette table

Foredeck
R-27 (Classic)
R-27/OB Double person lounge folding seat (for the sun lovers presumably) :lol:

TV/DVD
R-27 (Classic) in aft cabin facing forward
R-27/OB in V-Berth

Thrusters
R-27 (Classic) Bow and Stern
R-27/OB Bow only

I will update this comparison as best I can after looking at the R-23 and new 2018 R-27 next week at the Bremerton Trawlerfest.
 
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