The new 2018 R-27 review

[ixlr8]

Item #17..... 🙂

17) The shower head is now a brushed-steel fancy looking vertical tube-like thingy that presumable provides a rain shower spray. 😱 At first I thought it to be some kind of new tooth brushing device. :lol:

Yea, and you need to close the curtain before you hang the shower head on its mount and the curtain is in the way of seeing the shower head mount while you are trying to put the the shower head in place. That will take a little practice to get right. I wish they did something different with the mount there.

 

[baz]

Hmmmm.... I'll check the mount wrt to the closed curtain. I sure missed that.... thanks. 🙂

 

[johnniethek]

I will be trading in my R-21 EC, the Red Ranger, to get the new R-27 2018, which I will name the Salish Searcher.

Am very excited about this upgrade, and can't wait for them to start building it. Because of the huge demand for this boat (and the R-23) delivery won't occur until next May. That will give me lots of time to figure out how to pay for it. :lol:

I hope anyone who has more info on this boat will share it here. Can't learn enough about it...and hope I can take one for a spin at the Ranger Rendezvous next month.

JtheK

 

[ixlr8]

Am very excited about this upgrade, and can't wait for them to start building it. Because of the huge demand for this boat (and the R-23) delivery won't occur until next May. That will give me lots of time to figure out how to pay for it. :lol:

I hope anyone who has more info on this boat will share it here. Can't learn enough about it...and hope I can take one for a spin at the Ranger Rendezvous next month.

JtheK

Having taken both the 23 and 27 OB's out for a spin.... I think you will be impressed with either and will be tempted to write a deposit check as soon as you can. The 27 is a drive by wire throttle/shift so don't be surprised if there is a very slight delay between throttle movement and engine response. You may not notice it if you are not looking for it, it is so slight. There are a few folks here who have spent enough time with the 27 to answer most any question you might have, so ask away.

 

[baz]

I will be trading in my R-21 EC, the Red Ranger, to get the new R-27 2018, which I will name the Salish Searcher.

Am very excited about this upgrade, and can't wait for them to start building it. Because of the huge demand for this boat (and the R-23) delivery won't occur until next May. That will give me lots of time to figure out how to pay for it. :lol:

I hope anyone who has more info on this boat will share it here. Can't learn enough about it...and hope I can take one for a spin at the Ranger Rendezvous next month.

JtheK

Congratulations.... I can say with utmost certainty you will really like the new R-27. RT has done a marvelous job with it.

I will be at the Roche Harbor meeting with our new 2018 R-27/OB and will gladly give you a ride unless you first get a ride on one of the RT factory R-27/OB boats which I'm sure will be there.

 

[Crewdog]

I'd really be interested in the fuel burn and range in NMPG at various speeds.

As comparison, our current R27 gets about 1.9 NMPG at 3400 rpm and some trim tab yielding 12.5 - 13 kts fully loaded for a long trip.

 

[ixlr8]

From my experience on the 27 OB, it gets about 2.6-2.4 mpg from 22mph to 35mph, it is a very flat curve in that speed range. From 35 to 40mph, the mpg's drop off quickly. At around 5-6mph, it is getting in the 3-4mpg range if my memory serves me, and often it doesn't. The 10-12 mph range is where it gets its worse fuel economy, it gets on plane around 17mph and mpg's improve a bit after that. These numbers are with about 75 gallons of fuel (1/2 tank), 0 gallons of water and 5 people on board. Baz should have some good numbers for us in 2 weeks.

 

[baz]

Bill:

Many people have been wondering about fuel burn stats for the R-27/Diesel vs. the new 2018 R-27/outboard.

First, the R-27/Inboard-Diesel has the 200 HP Volvo Penta D3-200 engine vs. the new 2018 R-27/outboard-gasoline having a Yamaha F300 (300HP) engine.

The D3 is a 4-stroke, inline 5-cylinder, common rail system with piezo-electric injectors with 146 cubic inches displacement, weighs around 330 lbs and has WOT at 4000 rpm

The F300 is a 4-stroke, V6 6-cylinder with 256.3 cubic inches, weighs around 550 lbs and has WOT 5000-6000 rpm

The R-23 has the Yamaha F200 engine and Yamaha has performed its performance for Ranger Tugs on this R-23. This can be viewed here - https://yamahaoutboards.com/en-us/h...-4/f200-i4/pb_rgt_r-23_f200xca_2016-11-14_owa.

Comparing the R-27/Volvo D3 with the R-27/Yamaha-F300 is comparing 200 HP vs. 300 HP to begin with.

Yamaha has already performed its performance numbers for the R-27/Yamaha-F300, but as of today they've not published it from my research. I suspect within a few months it will be and then we will have some solid numbers to discuss.

I will have our new 2018 R-27/OB next week and after a few weeks using it I will have some personal performance numbers to share/post here.

 

[baz]

I see one advantage the new R-27 has over the R-27/inboard-diesel model, and that is the bow up/down control.

For the R-27/inboard-diesel model the bow up/down can be

1) Controlled via the Trim tabs
and
2) Speed

For the new R-27 the bow up/down can be

1) Controlled via Trim tabs
2) Speed
and
3) Controlled via trimming the outboard up/down to change the thrust line about the boat's CG (not possible for the R-27/inboard-diesel model)

Typically, trim tab's primary purpose IMO is for balancing the port/starboard leaning.

 

[Crewdog]

Hi Barry:

Horsepower and engine differences aside, I'm looking for a total range estimate for the r27 ob with full fuel.

At 1.9 nmpg, a 100 gallon tank will get our boat around 190 nm before exhasting fuel.

A 150 gal tank getting 1.9 nmpg will yield range of 285 nm.

I just want to look at nmpg for the new boat to estimate cruising range, especially for a long trip.

I realize sea conditions will also be big factor in determining best operating speed.

I've looked at performance charts for a single Yamaha 300 hp on various 7-8000 lb boats, but they are all planing hulls.

Also curious as to size/strength of wake at planing speed.

 

[baz]

The F300 will burn about 2.1 MPG (1.82 nmpg) at around 22 mph for the new R-27 at 4500 rpm. This was observed on the Yamaha engine display during a very brief sea trial back in May this year with little chop and no wind with 3 people onboard and about 65 gal in fuel tank and no stowed gear (a bare bones gear load). The boat was up on plan at this 22 mph speed which started at around 15 mph.

So at 22 mph the 150 gallon tank will provide 315 miles (274 nm) to empty tank or some 284 miles (247 nm) with a 10% reserve.

The new R-27 has a planing hull with a deep 22º V bow and is not semi-displacement like for the R-27/inboard-diesel model.

Now when I have had my new R-27/OB for a few weeks I can say with more certainty what are realistic numbers for you.

 

[ixlr8]

Also curious as to size/strength of wake at planing speed.

Largest wake is created in the 10-14mph range and it is pretty good sized. As the speed goes up above planning speed, 15-18mph... the wake seems to go down. There is not much in the way of a wake at speeds above 28-30 mph.

 

[baz]

Jim: That all makes sense..... as more and more of the hull is removed out of the water the stern wake will get smaller and smaller. 🙂

I'm just curious about max HP for the R-23 and new R-27. For the R-23 I believe its 250 HP but don't know or have not read anywhere what it is for the new R-27. Not that I'm going to upgrade.... just wondering. 😱

 

[johnniethek]

A previous poster said there are no rails on the R-27 OB. I plan to fish lots on this new boat, but am concerned about the lack of railings. I usually fish four from the cockpit, with two off the sides using downriggers and two off the back using rail-mounted rod holders. How would you fish two off the back without rails? Are there separate built-in pole holders in the transom?

 

[baz]

Yes there are pole holders in the port/starboard corners

 

[ixlr8]

I'm just curious about max HP for the R-23 and new R-27. For the R-23 I believe its 250 HP but don't know or have not read anywhere what it is for the new R-27. Not that I'm going to upgrade.... just wondering. 😱

This topic came up at the show while on the 27. Dealer said the F300 was max for the 27, he thought one could get a F250 from Ranger but he didn't understand why someone would want to. My foggy memory, from a conversation several months ago, seems to remember a discussion that the F200 was max for the 23 but it could be had with a 150.

 

[baz]

Hmmmmm....

Cold water is readily available and works on many fire types (wood, plastic, fibreglass, paper, fabrics). Recharging a bucket of water is simple and quick and free and cleanup is trivial - you already have a bilge pump.

If the fire involves oil, gasoline or diesel fuel then a chemical fire extinguisher B-I and/or B-II size is probably best. Be prepared for a lot of mess.

Depending on what is burning, you might be able to just throw it overboard.

From 26' to 40' boat: Two B-I extinguishers (or one B-II extinguisher) are required.

 

[baz]

I'm just curious about max HP for the R-23 and new R-27. For the R-23 I believe its 250 HP but don't know or have not read anywhere what it is for the new R-27. Not that I'm going to upgrade.... just wondering. 😱

This topic came up at the show while on the 27. Dealer said the F300 was max for the 27, he thought one could get a F250 from Ranger but he didn't understand why someone would want to. My foggy memory, from a conversation several months ago, seems to remember a discussion that the F200 was max for the 23 but it could be had with a 150.

Jim: The Yamaha Performance review for the R-23 states max HP for the R-23 is 250 HP. See https://yamahaoutboards.com/en-us/h...-4/f200-i4/pb_rgt_r-23_f200xca_2016-11-14_owa

 

[baz]

A few more things I think are worth mentioning now that I've had the R-27/OB for a few days...

1) RT provides 3 fire extinguishers with the boat

2) When underway the Garmin 7612 provides the most accurate "Remaining Fuel" number vs. the Yamaha engine display. This is because when underway with the fuel tank's level sensor being in the very aft section of the tank the fuel is simply sloshed aft in the tank. At one time when I observed this the difference in the readings for the 7612 and the Yamaha engine display was around 35 gallons which represents about 2 blue bars on the Yamaha engine display.

3) Steering wheel effort - I've yet to figure this one out, or at least haven't been able to correlate activities that cause this. The wheel turning effort is sometimes small with the wheel turning smoothly yet at other times the wheel requires a lot more effort to turn but is smooth when turning it. This could very well be the effect of having my autopilot engaged for holding a heading and me suddenly wanting to take control of the wheel and the shadow drive resisting my actions for a short while before it releases the autopilot's control.... but cannot say for sure.

4) Fresh water seems to be collecting more than I like in the aft bilge seen when opening the cockpit's center locker. I've not seen it above the black box that auto engages the pump so far. The water seems to me to entering this bilge area from the port and starboard gutters that run the full length at the bottom of each side locker. Maybe my water heater is leaking.... but dunno.

5) The boat has a strong propensity to lean to port. I can balance it out at the dock if I stand on the starboard gunnel at the cockpit. I weigh in at 180 lbs or there about. I've loaded most of my heavy gear on starboard side of the boat and with me standing in the center of the cockpit the boat still wants to lean to port. When underway I can easily use the trim tabs to balance the boat to counter this port-leaning aspect.

6) During my maiden voyage I made a single run of some 40 miles and did so in just under 90 minutes dock-to-dock. That results in around an average of 27 mph. At times I was running at 35 mph for short periods, ran at around 12 mph when transiting a shallow channel for a mile or two and slowing down to enter my home marina to dock. The boat's performance is awesome and so far without issues. The Yamaha F300 is a very nice beast.... :lol:

7) The hem seat is very nice looking. However, I found after a few hours sitting at the helm my bum got a bit numb. So i will be stealing my 1st Mates home ROHO cushion in the future and use that underneath me to help with this. 😀 :roll: :lol:

 

[johnniethek]

I understand that RT now uses ABC fire extinguishers as standard with all their boats. ABC, as opposed to B1 fire extinguishers, cover fiberglass, wood and upholstery.