Thinking about purchasing new 25

Just Limin'

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Just Limin'
Hi,

We currently have an old Pearson sloop on the Chesapeake. We're seriously thinking of purchasing a new Ranger 25. Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions. Color, gear, etc.
Bill Eggert
Annapolis, MD
Coppifan@AOL.com
 
Welcome aboard...
Color is personal... Mine is the deep blue... But the yellow looks good, the port wine is handsome, and in fact there are no bad colors in the Ranger line up... So, you are still on your own there...
Equipment: First there is the standard equipment list which is extensive... Go to the Ranger web and pull up their PDF brochure giving the list...
Now, how are you going to use the boat? Local marina and Sunday cruise - you don't need as much equipment...
Anchored out behind an Island or up on the North Channel for a week at a time - you will want more...

Without knowing - I would suggest:
120 volt AC/heat unit for marina life
and
Walas stove/heater for anchoring out
Have a portable propane-bottle stove to set on top of the counter or out in the cockpit for cooking a quick meal

Skip the diesel generator and get an EU2000i and stow it in the port locker where the generator would have gone...
Set the generator on the swim platform to run it - mine runs my 120 volt AC/heat unit and the electric stove... Just don't try to start the AC with the stove on

LED lighting throughout the boat including anchor light and running lights... (Marinebeam dot com) Search the archives for the LED discussions (extensive)

The Garmin 15 inch MFD with an HD radar and sonar
Fold up flat screen TV over the vee berth steps
12 volt fans for the windshield windows
AIRHEAD Composting toilet - and stop playing those holding tank blues - you can add a fresh water tank or a diesel tank where the holding tank was, or just leave the space and lose 240 pounds
Cockpit washdown
Extra 120 volt and 12 volt outlets in the cockpit, cabin, vee berth
Canvas enclosure
Have the house battery set be golf cart batteries - or add a pair of GC batteries in the starboard locker
Solar panels above the bimini
Remove the mattress from the cave and have built-in storage there
Dinghy is your choice (dinghy opinions approach religion so I won't go there)
An extra boat hook
3 BIG, round, fenders
spare prop (if you are going to the wilderness) and a Hookah so you can change the prop, plus tools

Loadmaster trailer only! (Port Clinton, Ohio)
(yes, I am opinionated) Take a look at Levitation photo album, look at the Loadmaster trailer section, note the vertical supports under the bunks and the amount of steel...

Well, that will do for starters - others will chime in

cheers
 
I have a 2009 R-25 equipped with all of the factory options except the Wallis Stove, the autopilot, and the stratoglass cockpit enclosure and for the most part I am happy with that package. I wish I had the autopilot for use when single handing but I can easily live without the others. The R-25 will quickly put its beam into the wind when you cut power and take your hand off the helm. In short order you will be bouncing around the inside of the cabin like the striker of a bell if there is a wind driven short duration chop like we have in the North Carolina sounds. Be nice to have an autopilot to keep the boat on course while steping away from the helm to make lunch or to use the head. If you always travel with a first mate, then no big deal but if you single hand a lot the lack of an autopilot is a nusance.

Recommend you purchase a trailer even if you plan on keeping the boat in the water (asssuming you have a vehicle capable of pulling the boat/trailer combination which weighs around 9,000 lbs wet and some where to store the trailer when not using it). I keep my boat in the water during the warmer months but it is very nice to have the trailer to pull it out when a hurricane approaches, to check the zincs, perform maintenance, or to store it for winter.

The R-25 is built for winter use but be forwarned there are a lot of systems in the boat than can freeze causing major maintenance problems so unless you plan on living aboard in the winter and keeping the boat warm, it is best to winterize the boat and lay it up in cold weater. For example, my R-25 has five raw water systems, the fresh water system, the black water system, the shower drain system, along with the two bilge pumps and all of them can freeze during cold weather. Keeping the boat warm with electric heaters is an option but what do you do if you have an ice storm like we do on occasion here in the mid-atlantic and the power goes out for a few days. It would be next to impossible to winterize the boat when everything is frozen.

Hull color is a personal choice, mine is dark blue and to me that color looks best on the ranger line. Before you choose, be sure to see a boat in the color you are considering in person. Some of the lighter colors do not look as good as the darker colors when you see them in person.
 
One comment on trailers and what you tow it with... The factory has promulgated mass misinformation... You need a trailer with a minimum of 10,000 GVW... My boat is 8400# hanging in the slings with the water tanks empty... Put it on the trailer and the total weight is over 10.000... I had a 10,600 GVW trailer built and I am right there... I have pulled the boat over 5000 miles on this trailer and it is solid... Rich has the same trailer and has pulled it across much of the country without problems... Cutting corners on the trailer GVW is going to cause you problems if you do much towing...
Anyway, I agree that you want a trailer whether you intend to pull the boat or not... It is your cradle when the boat comes out of the water... The trailer makes the boat more desirable when the day comes to sell...
 
Additional Points:

Do get the heavier capacity trailer. I put three spare tire mounts on mine. If you have a serious flat that can't be repaired (common with radial tires) you won't be able to easily find a replacement on the road; e.g., Sears does not sell trailer tires at all. These are serious 8- (or in my case 10-) ply tires and if you are lucky enough to find a replacement it may cost your towards $300. Driving for days until you locate a new tire without a spare is scary. Get bunks and pay a little extra to have "cutouts" installed so sling straps will easily fit under the boat to remove it from the trailer. You may never have to put the trailer in salt water if you use it twice a year for storage. I'm not nuts about my factory provided EZ Loader trailer, although you can get parts anywhere. The Float On models look better. Denny-o's advice on the Loadmaster is probably good advice.

Definitely replace your anchor lite with an LED bulb. I also replaced the bulbs in the head and cave with LEDs as they are often on; we leave the cave light on as a night light to get to the head. Someone else on this site pointed out that whenever the running lights are on, then the engine is on so I did not bother replacing them with LEDs and there is a question as to whether they are Coast Guard approved... I use a little battery powered camper lantern in the cabin and, thus, see little need to replace all the cabin lights with LEDs, the red chart lights already are LEDs I think. Most of the time in the cabin you'll be reading your iPad/Nook, watching TV, writing your blog on the computer, etc. and thus have little need except while cooking for overhead lights.

If you want to head further south, reconsider getting the diesel (expensive) generator AND factory AC, if you will be on the hook in Florida. If you stay in marinas, then the Honda is the way to go. Also, on the hook having the solar panel(s) can keep your refrigerator alive without having to run the engine/generator a couple hours per day. You can buy the exact same solar hook-up aftermarket if you want to save a bit up front on a new boat purchase.

For MD and further south, you would not need heat on a regular basis like our sister ships who motor all winter in the Northwest. Save around $4000 on the Wallas in that case and go with a $60 Mr. Heater Little Buddy (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...3668&ci_sku=173668&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}). Use a little butane stove from West Marine for cooking, as opposed to the electric range top.

An autopilot is wonderful, but since you are considering a R25sc you could save $5000 by aftermarket installing a Raymarine S1000 for under $1000 ([url=http://www.thegpsstore.com/Ra...w.thegpsstore.com/Raymarine-Sm ... 4AodBFaLmQ)[/url]. I can't imagine a Ranger without the wonder binimi system. Mine has both screen and plastic window panels sets. Again you can save a bit by buying this stuff aftermarket and installing it yourself or with a local canvas maker by buying it from King Marine who has the templates as they make this stuff for Ranger.

A great thing about a new boat is you can install an AirHead composting toilet like Denny-o suggests and that I have. With a new boat, convert what was the holding tank to spare fresh water tankage and shower as much as you want while in the wilderness.

I kept the cave, my buddies seem OK sleeping there. I bought a set el-cheapo plastic drawers (like a small bureau) and move it from the cave to the V-berth when friends (actually one friend is all that would fit) use the cave. Of course, the cave is really useable on a R25, I don't care for the flip up seat system on the R25sc. Also, since you don't need to flip up an R25's seat and have easy, constant access to the cave with a chart table above, you can mount a toaster oven and spare stuff above the save in a R25. More about that a little later...

Skip the anchor package and install your own stuff after study on this bulletin board. It will likely cost you a bit more, but you can have a better and heavier rig (in my case a Rocna). Maybe money isn't an issue for you(?). For me, in order to rationalize a new boat I had to save where I could with the plan to add stuff gradually, using equipment equal to or superior than the Ranger Standard stuff (except for the Raymarine autopilot).

Another consideration (which has been debated in other threads on this bulletin board) is whether you might prefer a R25 with a bigger cabin vs. the sport cabin you are probably looking at. I'd love the have better access to the front end of my engine, but we spend a lot of time in our cabin and I would not trade that interior space (R25) for the increased deck space (R25sc) and you lose a couple of port holes and lots of other stuff. In fact the R25 cost $10,000 more base than the new R25sc. You seem to have ruled out the R27 so I suspect you are sensitive to cost issues. A very nice option would be a used R25. I believe Ed and Elaine Henn's fabulous R25 is still for sale near you at Chesapeake Ranger Tugs: http://www.chesranger.com/. BTW, get a blue one.
 
If you're interested in chatting about a fully equipped 2009 R-25 with trailer and with or without tow vehicle, contact norbhat@comcast.net
 
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