Total electrical failure...any assistance appreciated :)

Sweet_Pea

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R25 SC (sold)
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Sweet Pea (2024)
We're on the hook on Sucia and have no AC or DC power. We were running the engine at idle to charge the batteries and had the water heater on for 20 mins thru the inverter. Turned the water heater off and the inverter light went out. We see in the manual a reference to an internal breaker and the DC breaker as possible issues. We tried the DC breaker by the battery on/off switches. Now, we have no DC power.

Any troubleshooting guidance would be appreciated.

The batteries seem to be working. The engine will turn on and the house battery is working.
 
Got the DC power figured out. Didn't realize that the yellow lever on the main DC breaker needs to be pushed back into the unit when it trips. We were pushing on the red button (that would eject the yellow reset lever if not tripped.)

So, trim tabs, chart plotter, etc. are working again. Will need to figure out the inverter back at the marina.
 
Glad you resolved the issue... kind of annoying when on the hook...

Yellow lever ????? Can you post a photo or describe this ? On our 2010 R25 Classic I see no yellow lever on main DC breaker... but I will look harder next time on the boat. Thanks. 🙂
 
baz":18yurttu said:
Glad you resolved the issue... kind of annoying when on the hook...

Yellow lever ????? Can you post a photo or describe this ? On our 2010 R25 Classic I see no yellow lever on main DC breaker... but I will look harder next time on the boat. Thanks. 🙂

Hello Baz,

I don't have one of the big tugs, so this is just a hunch...Could this be what Paul is talking about.
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The RED button trips the breaker (YELLOW lever swings DOWN in tripped state); the breaker is reset by lifting the yellow lever UP such that it is horizontal.

/david
 
David you nailed it that's what the reset looks like. I was also stumped by a similar problem until the dealer taught me about the yellow tab.
 
Our C30 had similar problem near total electric failure when on the hook. Check the nuts that connect the wires to the circuit breakers. Ours always seemed tight until the technician we hired put a socket wrench to them. No problems since.
 
Glad you got the problem worked out. You are not alone in this frustrating scenario. The takeaway from this are cheap lessons learned for all fellow Tugnutters (all boat owners for that matter), particularly to folks relatively new to the game. First, take a deep breath (if your not sinking) and think about the issue as part of a system. In other words, troubleshoot from a cause and effect standpoint...did you just throw a switch and the system reacted improperly? Then, start by eliminating common causes (tripped CBs, blown fuses, loose grounding wires, clogged filters, loose clamps, malfunction codes). The chances are good that you will find the problem and the fix will be relatively easy.

Here are two examples we experienced (and there are a bunch more):

Main engine would not restart at the gas dock. OK, the symptom was the starter would not turn over engine. Batteries good, electrical connections to starter good. Using a multi-meter, we found a power loss at the ground terminal to the engine bell housing. We disconnected, cleaned corrosion and reattached. Engine started normally.

I noticed a significant loss of water in the tank an hour after leaving port with the tank full. OK, that's the symptom but where did the water go? I turned off the water pump at the breaker, opened engine hatch to inspect the bilge (where the water would go, ha) and found a cascade of water flowing down the port side. What water source is located there, the water heater, dummy. Open up port side gull wing and notice a hose popped off said water heater which was reattached and double clamped. Problem solved.

So, if not in extremis, take a deep breath, get some more coffee and think of the affected system(s). Use diagrams either provided by Ranger Tugs or self-made. Get a multi-meter, fix that loose wire, blown fuse, tripped cb, etc. This technique has served us well and was formed over 45 yrs. of boating and 33 yrs. of flying airplanes.

A call to Andrew can help too when all else fails.

Have fun and be safe!
//Bud
 
Hello everyone:

Thanks for your guidance and suggestions. Had trouble uploading a photo from the hook, but here's an image showing the DC GFI tripped on the R25SC:
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Very similar to the photo Dave posted. We mistakenly thought the red button worked like a household GFI. Not so. Gotta push the yellow lever back into the unit.

Does anyone know if there is a fuse or GFI for the inverter? We looked and checked the manual and couldn't find either. The manual does reference an internal breaker.
 
Had this same issue on c30 - very good info thank you
 
Amy and Paul":37hsoj1b said:
Hello everyone:

Thanks for your guidance and suggestions. Had trouble uploading a photo from the hook, but here's an image showing the DC GFI tripped on the R25SC:
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Very similar to the photo Dave posted. We mistakenly thought the red button worked like a household GFI. Not so. Gotta push the yellow lever back into the unit.

Does anyone know if there is a fuse or GFI for the inverter? We looked and checked the manual and couldn't find either. The manual does reference an internal breaker.

Hello Amy and Paul,

I dont mean to nit pick but the devise you are pointing to is a BREAKER rather than a GFCI. It simply interupts the flow of current in the cable when it exceeds it's rated capacity.

The question about the inverter...YES it SHOULD have a BREAKER somewhere in the line supplying DC power to the inverter. This is CRITICAL as that cable carries well over 100 Amps DC current. A malfunction in the inverter, or, more likely, a short somewhere along that supply cable and it will instantly become a toaster element...that means there will be a FIRE. Now, it the cable is FUSED or equiped with a BREAKER somewhere NEAR it's connection to the battery bank, the same scenario results in a breaker opening and no big deal. You definately want to FIND all your breakers or fuses on the boat.

Good luck!

/dave
 
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