True R-27 weight?

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That PDF that Brian posted shows the "weight as tested" at almost 2,000 pounds more than the published "dry weight." And, you know on a test boat that they will be keeping the weight light for the best performance numbers. Add another 2,000 pounds or so for a trailer and you are around 10,500 pounds. Put some cruising gear onboard, and it would be easy to be on the far side (perhaps far on the far side) of 11,000 pounds. 150 gallons of fuel will weigh 1050 pounds. 40 gallons of water will be 320 pounds. When we tow boats, we try to have a minimum amount of fuel onboard - no advantage to carrying that extra weight. And since fuel is almost always less expensive on land than on the water, fuel up a trailerable boat just before you launch.

Best to err on the side of caution with towing capacity. But, for "curiosity sake" to determine the weight of the boat on the water, my "swag" guess would be well over 9,500 pounds. Some travel lifts have a way to determine weight when the boat is pulled for any maintenance.

I've never come across a boat that weighed as little as the manufacturer's published weight.
 
Seriously... five pages on what a boat weighs???
 
BB marine":3vvvxnhn said:
https://www.rangertugs.com/Userfiles/Docs/R-272/RGT_R-27_F300UCA_2017-06-28_OWA.pdf
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Thanks again.

Interesting to note the 2017 dry weight (6600) is 400 lbs less than 2019.
450 lbs of fuel (half tank), ~ 350 lbs of people, and a kicker motor... 150 lbs?, safety and test gear... 150?.
Weight as tested: 8518 lbs.
6600+450+350+150+150 = 7700 lbs.

Is the motor part of the 6600 lb dry weight? (575 lbs)
Still, only 8275 lbs, unless the test gear is very heavy.
 
So does the boat look heavier in the morning after the alcohol starts to wear off? Does she seam to lose her amount of freeboard the longer she's around? Well this just goes to show that the length of a conversation don't tell nothin' about the size of the intellect!! Bob
 
to be fair it was answered on page one. he was asking dry weight and many people gave opinions on towing weight. All interesting info but sometimes clouding the issue. Beauty about the posts are they are optional reading.
 
After conversation with RT, they admit the dry weight is not weight as delivered. That is unacceptable.
The RT dry weight is meaningless in that case. If you don't know what your boat weighs as delivered, you have no reference for anything you add.

RT does not include air/con or furnace or generator, saying those items are optional and therefore not part of the weight of the boat. Right. <cough, cough>
RT cannot account for the weight difference between 11,000# as weighed by my dealer on a certified accurate truck scale (less the trailer weight), and their weight. The A/C and gen. weigh maybe 500# together.

Anyway, I have accepted my dealer's weight of 11,000# (actually 10,400# as he weighed with 600# of gasoline aboard.).

This ends this thread.

Jeff
 
Crewdog said:
Boat lift scales are just not accurate enough for logging a "certified and legal" weight.

Best option is to borrow a trailer and take it to a CAT scale at a truck stop, which are certified as accurate and legal. Then deduct trailer weight from scale ticket and you'll have boat weight.



Trailer axle is boat and trailer unhooked from truck. Subtract 1,274 lbs from 10,580 and weight of boat is 9306.
That's with 50 gal fuel, emtpy water, empty waste, safety gear, galley gear, spares, and spare anchor, chain & rode, and other myriad "stuff" as needed for cruising.

As the disclaimer goes, results may vary.

I've decided that 10,400# is the true dry weight for an R27 Luxury Edition model and not the 7000# RT claims. After talking with RT, they say "oh, no, the dry weight doesn't include the generator or furnace or air/con. 'Those are Options.' We don't include them in our Dry Weight.
My weight includes the Generator, AirCon unit, Yamaha F300, and all included safety equipment. No fuel, no water, no waste.
I have no idea why RT does not provide the true delivered weight, instead choosing to give an empty hull weight.
I suppose it makes their boats seem lighter than they really are. 3,400# lighter. <eye rolls> No one buys an empty hull.

With a full tank of gas (150 * 6 = 900#, some personal gear (500#?) consisting of clothes, food, etc. a full water tank (40 * 7 = 210#) and a full waste tank (30 * 9#(?) we're up to 12,280#

If you are planning to buy a truck and trailer to tow your R27, better go big. I know my big Tundra won't pull it. Dang.

It's a bit disappointing that RT does not consider the delivered weight to be the Dry Weight.

Jeff
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May as well keep this thread going. I can see why they would post dry weight. Options vary weight and everyone can have different options. However, a simple explanation of dry weight to buyers would be helpful.
 
Agree with knotflying..they post an accurate weight for what they label it. Dry weight. Definition would be helpful. Also agree that would not take much for them to weigh and provide a delivered weight but not required. If I I really wanted to know weight I am towing I would go to a scale a couple months after i bought it so I have personal items included. No matter what is posted by RT weighing your boat is the only way to go. I bet RT or any company does not want to be liable if there is a towing accident due to weight and it was interpreted RT data was false. Makes sense.
 
For those of us who are Truck Camper people, we have dealt with this issue from manufactures for years.

Too many people were putting too heavy of a camper on trucks not rated for the actual payload. Pressure from enthusiasts/customers (mostly through truck camper forums) have prompted most camper manufactures to not only list dry weights of the base camper but also the weights of each option and educate potential customers on the realities of actual weights of water, personal items, etc. on their selection of appropriate trucks.

When a manufacturer highlights/advertises its products trailer-ability and indeed even offers trailers as options, then perhaps the manufacture has a responsibility to provide this information and educate customers.

Case in point: We purchased a fully optioned (except generator) 2017 R-23 from a private third party that had originally purchased the boat without a trailer. My seller subsequently purchased a trailer with 6700# gross weight capacity based on the belief that the boat was published to weigh 5000#. He figured that with the added extras he was within the capacity of his new trailer. The boat (with factory options) filled with water (208#), fuel (480#), and a week's worth of provisions (500#) weighs just over 7200# (with trailer) based on the CAT scales.

We are serious trailer boaters so we are forced to change the axles, wheels, tires, and brake system to accommodate the actual weights; until then we travel as dry as possible and monitor the rig carefully.

Erstwhile plaintiff attorneys are well versed in overloaded conditions of RVs and will purse the owner for liability claims, not the manufacture. Remember, it would be generous for insurance companies to support you when it is discovered that you operated unsafe equipment on public roads.
 
Since RT pushes the smaller models of the tugs as "trailerable" it would be nice if they (and other manufacturers) advertised a "typical" trailer weight for their boats. A lot of boat manufacturers list the "dry" weight which seems to be the weight of the boat when it comes out of the mold.

When each boat is delivered it would be a simple matter for RT to weigh each boat and give the owner a statement with the "as delivered" weight. This would include all that particular boat's options and whatever liquids (quantities listed on the weight sheet).
 
It's been sometime since I replied here. I became tired of reading all the well-meaning, but off topic posts.

After talking on the phone with RT, there is still no answer for the 4,000 lb. discrepancy.
RT says DRY Weight does not include generator, A/C, or furnace. Together, those items weigh perhaps 600 lbs. (Gen + A/C or Gen + furnace). The O/B motor weighs about 400 lbs. Total = 1000 lbs.

My boat, right off the trailer, with roughly 600 lbs. of fuel and NO other gear except for standard safety gear, tables, etc. provided by the Factory weighs 11,000 lbs.
To me, and and for all subsequent calculations I must make, my dry weight (empty of fuel) is 10,400 lbs.

RT told me they had weighed a new boat (no details given on outfitting) on their lift. RT said that boat weighed in the neighborhood of 8300 lbs (if memory serves... it's been a while).
I asked if their lift scale was calibrated, and heard silence. Crickets. In any case, I accept that my boat weighs, as delivered, 10,400 + 600 lbs gas. I will take the weight given on a legally calibrated truck scale over anything RT claims to be the Dry Weight. The only meaningful weight as a starting point is Delivered Weight. RT does not provide weight of added options in literature, so their weight means nothing.

I wish to thank "matty " for being the voice of reason in this dialogue.

Happy Holidays / Merry Christmas,

Jeff
 
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