True R-27 weight?

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I wish to thank everyone for their useful replies, even when a bit off-topic. 😉

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my OP, but I will never trailer this boat. I may pay someone to trailer it from the marina ramp to the dry storage area, but that's it. I will cruise with my boat up and down the Mighty Mississippi, and hopefully do the loop in 2021.

I just wanted to know the delivered weight. You might ask why I want to know the true weight if I'm not going to tow it.
Read the OP. Ranger Tugs says 7,000, my dealer says 11,000. I am a curious S.O.B. and I have an aversion to discrepancies.
As a matter of fact, I just received an email reply from my dealer today.

He replied: "The R27 has been weighed by myself several times and by those who transport them. The weight is conducted at a certified CAT scale at a truck stop and is very consistent among all who have ever performed this task."

I do wish an authorized voice from Fluid Motion, LLC, DBA Ranger Tugs, would weigh in here to try to help me understand the discrepancy. This is, after all, the "Ask the Ranger Factory" forum. Does the Ranger Factory monitor this forum?
 
Well given all the info posted by other owners, the highly unlikey chance the factory is off by 4,000, yamaha performance weight numbers, legalities of factory being wrong for state registrations and scale weight slips i think it is safe to say factory believes the question has been answered. After all it is posted on their site so it is not like info is missing. The dealer says it is consistent with others that have had it weighed. Except everyone on this site. So it is strange to say the least.
But maybe for fun the factory still will reply. In the very highly unlikely chance it is 11,000 there will be a run on larger trucks and boat lifts. I for one will hold off on my order since i just replaced my lift and truck does fine.
 
I asked the factory folks specifically about the weight discrepancies were discussing in this thread regarding my RT 25 Classic at the 2015 Rendezvous. I was told this and I'm paraphrasing a bit since it's been 4 years now. "Our published weights are for a dry boat with zero options." Nobody has a dry boat - dry means no engine oil, transmission fluids, hydraulic fluids, etc. Almost nobody doesn't have at least some options - heck the options on our 2009 boat are now standard features on the new boats! Everyone adds personal gear. Usually a lot or personal gear. Everything adds weight. It's just surprising how much weight all the "extras" add up to! Our boats weight what they weigh - trust the scales!
PS: As to truck (in this case a Tundra is being referenced) towing capacity please remember this - every truck is unique. Every option or lack of option changes the gross vehicle weight and the weight distribution between the front and rear axles. The numbers quoted for the 2020 Tundra have absolutely nothing in common with my 2011 Tundra.
The 2020 Chevy 2500 towing capacity ranges from 14,500 to 18,500 pounds depending on how each truck is configured. That's a lot of range and it all depends on the trucks build configuration and equipment list. My point is you should know the truck you own and the specific towing ratings (as well as ALL the other gross weight limitations) for how your truck has been built and equipped!
https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/c ... -chart.pdf
 
So very few options available. Basically generator. Personal items, fuel, water do not matter in this discussion as he is asking for dry weight. If all those items are on when weighing boat scale you would have to subtract them and trailer. So still ...7,000. Only heavy option is generator. All the electronics etc are not options. They are standard. I would be shocked if they are not including standard equipment.
 
Matty":1h9chem1 said:
Well given all the info posted by other owners, the highly unlikey chance the factory is off by 4,000, yamaha performance weight numbers, legalities of factory being wrong for state registrations and scale weight slips i think it is safe to say factory believes the question has been answered. After all it is posted on their site so it is not like info is missing. The dealer says it is consistent with others that have had it weighed. Except everyone on this site. So it is strange to say the least.
But maybe for fun the factory still will reply. In the very highly unlikely chance it is 11,000 there will be a run on larger trucks and boat lifts. I for one will hold off on my order since i just replaced my lift and truck does fine.
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My point exactly. The factory has been silent throughout. One of their dealers says the Factory weight is wrong.
I'm surprised the Factory hasn't commented.
Why, exactly, is this forum called "Ask the Ranger Factory" if the Factory never says anything?
 
RT should state what, precisely, the Dry Weight includes / does not include.
We call this "Transparency".
 
Matty":1rxzgr9r said:
So very few options available. Basically generator. Personal items, fuel, water do not matter in this discussion as he is asking for dry weight. If all those items are on when weighing boat scale you would have to subtract them and trailer. So still ...7,000. Only heavy option is generator. All the electronics etc are not options. They are standard. I would be shocked if they are not including standard equipment.
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I believe dry weight does not include any navionics.
 
knotflying":f23krtnr said:
Matty":f23krtnr said:
So very few options available. Basically generator. Personal items, fuel, water do not matter in this discussion as he is asking for dry weight. If all those items are on when weighing boat scale you would have to subtract them and trailer. So still ...7,000. Only heavy option is generator. All the electronics etc are not options. They are standard. I would be shocked if they are not including standard equipment.
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I believe dry weight does not include any navionics.
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Dry weight is "as delivered". Or should be.
In any case, "navionics" weight would be negligible.
 
Marty, those options weren’t always standard. Back when the most current “dry” weight number was first published (2015 or 2014??) the options for the RT 27 Classic were still options. RT never updated the published “dry” weight number when the options were no longer optional.
Dry weight is an absolutely meaningless number. The only weight that matters is what your boat actually weights. A number of 27 owners here have said on this forum a typical RT 27 Classic weights in at the scales at 9,500 to 9,800 pounds not counting the weight of the trailer. Your RT 27 Classic weights what it weights but it’s likely in that range unless you have added in heavy optional equipment that is not the norm.
 
scross":qhhoz263 said:
Marty, those options weren’t always standard. Back when the most current “dry” weight number was first published (2015 or 2014??) the options for the RT 27 Classic were still options. RT never updated the published dry weight number when the options were no longer optional.
Dry weight is an absolutely meaningless number. The only weight that matters is what your boat actually weights. A number of 27 owners here have said on this forum a typical RT 27 Classic weights in at the scales at 9,500 to 9,800 pounds not counting the weight of the trailer weight. Your RT 27 Classic weights what it weights but it’s likely in that range unless you have added in heavy optional equipment that is not the norm.
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Dry weight is NOT an absolutely meaningless number. It is the starting weight we all rely upon to calculate all follow-on weights. How can you not understand that?

You weigh yourself at home, naked. 170. Great! You go to your doctor and you weigh 185! No I don't!
But your are wearing jeans, sneakers, socks, underwear, change and keys in your pocket, and that sausage and egg breakfast in your gut. You understand now how important dry weight is?
 
I agree dry weight is not meaningless. If so it should not be posted anywhere. It certainly comes into play when considering what boat you may buy.
I was using navionics as an example of a non-option just like stove and fridge. They are standard. Still for some of these discussion items the debate is over 500 lbs. or less. The question is about 4,000 which is far from 4,000.
But getting back to original post which has nothing to do with a trailering weight.. is dry weight 7 or 11 thousand pounds?
If the dealer was correct @ 11,000 lbs and you add 2,000 for a trailer and 1800 for liquids and personal items is there anyone out there that has weighed there R27 on a trailer and came in at 14,800 or higher? If so, that would be meaningful info. I dont imagine we will see that weight on a CAT document.
 
JeffRad54":2osj7qbx said:
......The factory has been silent throughout. One of their dealers says the Factory weight is wrong.
I'm surprised the Factory hasn't commented. Why, exactly, is this forum called "Ask the Ranger Factory" if the Factory never says anything?
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Several people have tried to explain to you the definition of “dry weight” used by the factory in their published specifications. It is a common industry term. Your dealer is giving you a weight “typically equipped” which adds optional equipment weight. The factory has probably read the numerous replies to your query here telling you the approximate weight of your boat typically equipped. The factory can’t do any better than that. They don’t know how much fuel, water, and incidentals you have onboard. If you MUST know what your boat weighs, then have it trailered to truck stop scales and have it weighed.
 
I think we're missing one important point in this discussion;
"My dealer says..."

The question should be how many folks believe what their dealer says without verification or documentation?
 
Why not ask the dealer his definition of dry weight compared with the factory?
I'm sure he will give you a good explanation, he is representing the factory as a salesman for their products. Bob
 
My guess is that the dealer understands what many of us longer term RT owners know - that these boats are not cookie cutter duplicates. At the fine level of detail I believe RTs are all custom one-of-a-kind products - even though they may have the same logo and model number. I’m not sure if there are any two boats RT has ever produced that are absolutely identical to one another in every single respect. Heck, I doubt that any two boats are even wired exactly the same!
Production changes and part substitutions happen in real time at RT, not just once a year with a model year change. Many or most of these changes impact the boat’s weight to various degrees. Options specific to your 2017 boat that weren’t options back when the original 27 Classic dry weight was calculated or measured will add additional weight.
If you look closely at a 2011 RT 27 Classic (inside and outside) it looks quite a bit different than the 2017 version. But the original published displacement (not dry weight) number for the 27 Classic is based on an early 2011 hull number and was only updated one time in about 2014 from displacement value of 6,200 pounds to a dry weight measurement of 6,950 pounds. So, you can either try get a 2011 27’s BOM to track the weight impact of all these cumulative changes and weigh all the optional equipment incorporated between 2011 and 2017, which could be in the HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of items, or you could just weigh your boat and find the true actual weight quickly and accurately.
 
Dry weight is dry weight. I will leave a little room of say 500 lbs for exact definition. Not 4,000 lbs. Jeff did not ask for dealers opinion. Just facts. Dealer "feelings" and opinion are irrelevant to the original question. Dealer said dry weight was 11,000. No ambiguity. So i ask again, does anyone think a RT 27 on a trailer with personal items and liquids weighs 15,000 lbs. If so i need a new truck and lift. But i highly doubt it as evidenced by other CAT weights posted.
 
This post is funny! So how much does that gal at the end of the bar weighs? Depends on how many drinks you have had, how much time till last call, and who will notice! That said she will weigh a whole lot more in the morning.
Just the thoughts of an old navy chief.
 
I agree it is all over the place and humerous. Having said that...while i have been known to down a few drinks i have always been able to tell the difference between 150 lbs and 250 lbs. That is the same topic here. Somebody put a load of rock on the scale to turn 7,000 into 11,000 but claiming she looks just as pretty.
 
Matty":kea3mrce said:
Dry weight is dry weight. I will leave a little room of say 500 lbs for exact definition. Not 4,000 lbs. Jeff did not ask for dealers opinion. Just facts. Dealer "feelings" and opinion are irrelevant to the original question. Dealer said dry weight was 11,000. No ambiguity. So i ask again, does anyone think a RT 27 on a trailer with personal items and liquids weighs 15,000 lbs. If so i need a new truck and lift. But i highly doubt it as evidenced by other CAT weights posted.
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Thank you Matty for being so succinct.
I can't just weigh my boat as some suggest. I would have done that if I could.
The only weigh (cough cough) I can know my boat's true weight is if I know the starting weight, DRY, from the manufacturer. From that known datum, I can add what I need to add to figure what I need for a possible lift, or maybe a new truck, or just to satisfy my curiosity.

Thanks again!
 
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