Yanmar 6&4BY filter x-refs?

GulfSailor

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Has anyone been able to cross reference the regular maintenance parts such as oil and fuel filters, belts, and zincs for these engines?
AFAIK there's nothing magical about these items except the price.
Cross references can be found for some of the earlier Yanmar engines, but I think that because the BY series is fairly new it hasn't been matched to yet.
 
Fill out your profile with the type of Ranger you have and be specific about the engine.
 
captain's cat":5bm9p1fx said:
Fill out your profile with the type of Ranger you have and be specific about the engine.

I'll post the boat details when the deal is done, but the engine will be a Yanmar 2011 6BY 260.
I think that if anyone has the x-refs it will be useful information for many others on the forum, as well as myself.
 
What r u getting?
 
SUWANNEE":33ft59ub said:
What r u getting?

I'm a bit superstitious about discussing deals until they're actually done, it always seems like tempting fate. 😉
However, it's certainly applicable to the Tugnuts forum, and I hope to actually have it in my possession by Sunday week.

I've been downloading the various operation, parts and service manuals (Garmin, Mase, Yanmar, etc, etc.) and was somewhat shocked on seeing the price for routine service items on the Yanmar BY engine.
I'm used to paying 'boat tax' but Yanmar's pricing is more in the realms of 'airplane tax'! 😱

It didn't seem unreasonable to ask the question, even though I'm not an actual owner yet, as the answers would probably be of interest to others.

Anyhow, fingers crossed, I'll be able to amend my profile in a little over a week.
 
Gulfsailor,
Congratulation on your desire to download all of the manuals etc as well as get involved in the Tugnut forum! Hey, a Ranger Tug with your name on it will make it even better! If it is meant to be, it will be. That is why we call ours "Karma"! It all just came together.

Good luck! Welcome to the family (cult)!
David and Maureen
 
Our local dealer has priced his Yanmar parts, filters in particular, at prices where I wouldn't consider using the wrong one. You might check around and find that, except for the big-box stores, most filters will not be much cheaper anyway. Compare the price of a filter every 6 months or a year to the cost of operating the boat and it becomes a noise-level problem.

It is not quite so critical on a fuel filter but there are some tricky things in oil filters that might be risky to assume. Bypass settings, drain valving, etc. can vary enough that they may perform fine for some applications but won't give ultimate life in all applications.

Fuel filters, as long as you make sure the rating in particle size is at least as small as for the Yanmar, are interchangable. But where do you get that particle size? Surely not from Yanmar which tends to play it's cards pretty close to it's vest these days!

You can buy belts at NAPA if you choose. Generally speaking, a belt is a belt is a belt. But finding an exact replacement seems to be tricky there, too. The Yanmar engineers seem pretty good at shaving the dimensions so a precise fit is hard to find. But with a little shopping, a friendly supplier who will let you try a few, and sweat and skinned knuckles while you try them, you can find a belt someplace that will do just fine. As laid out there, is that worth it either?

Obviously it might pay to do some comparison shopping at a few Yanmar dealers and service shops in the area.

Fluids can be bought anyplace, regardless of what the Yanmar manuals say (and the warranties try to scare you about) as long as the specs match. If the specs from reliable ratings (SAE, API, ASTM, for instance) match, the product matches. It may be best not to mix products due to different formulations, but if the specs match, performance matches.
 
I have not shopped around for parts for the BY engine because I have a YM engine. I was surprised to find out the price for parts at my local Yanmar service center (Zahniser's) was very close to the same as what Ranger offers (plus or minus a couple of dollars) and what I found on the internet. The only cross reference I found to another manufacture was at West Marine and the price was outrageous.

The on engine (secondary) fuel filter size for the YM engine is a 10 micron, same as the primary filter. From what I have read, I would NOT want to change the size to either larger or smaller.

I have read on other web sites that Yanmar parts have traditionally been higher than other brands, and Yanmar has been lowering their prices. On the other hand, reading other websites and talking to people at marinas and boat shows, it appears the Yanmar engines are more reliable than other brands. So, I guess you get what you pay for.
 
If I remember correctly, the engines for the newer R25SC, R27 and R29 are all BMW's. That could have an effect on pricing, at least I've experienced high prices on BMW motorcycle parts for 40+ years and 20+ machines. Friends tell me their BMW car parts aren't inexpensive either. Don't know, I prefer Audi's.

One can also read the tales of woe concerning pricing of the Cummins 150 HP engine parts on the R25; it's Italian built. Also, it is my understanding all of the new electronic controlled diesels tend to be more expensive than the older ones.

And, finally, I recently had problems with the starboard Yamaha O/B engine on my Rosborough RF246. It kept raising and lowering and locking in position without my help; it just did what it wanted, when it wanted. 😱 A new solenoid runs almost $300; the engine mounted lift/tilt control switch runs about $80. :x The solenoid can be replaced, using a mounting adapter, with a Mercury solenoid costing around $18. 😀

gene
 
First, you guys are all looking at this wrong....... you are looking at it as dollars...... you must look at it as "Boat Units". One "Boat Unit" is $1,000.00. So, that $45.00 oil filter is really .045% of one boat unit! Wow, that is cheap!
 
Karma":2q4h665i said:
Gulfsailor,
Congratulation on your desire to download all of the manuals etc as well as get involved in the Tugnut forum! Hey, a Ranger Tug with your name on it will make it even better! If it is meant to be, it will be. That is why we call ours "Karma"! It all just came together.

Good luck! Welcome to the family (cult)!
David and Maureen

Thanks for the welcome!
I do like to have both electronic and paper copies of important documents.
From the multiple volumes dealing with the thrusters, to the single page for a bilge pump, it's all valuable information, and it takes up very little room, whether it's on a disc, card, hard drive, or in the 'cloud'.
The paper will stay at home and multiple copies will be on the boat.
However, I have to admit that I will always prefer to read something from a printed page rather than a screen.
I guess it's a function of age. 😀
 
There is just something about reading some things on paper and others on a screen. I have tried to read magazines and newspapers on line and just have not been able to get into it. And then there are other things that are better on the screen..... You can simply hit that delete button and they go away.

Let us all know when the big day comes! It will be good Karma!
 
abcandjrc":z66ssm90 said:
Our local dealer has priced his Yanmar parts, filters in particular, at prices where I wouldn't consider using the wrong one. You might check around and find that, except for the big-box stores, most filters will not be much cheaper anyway. Compare the price of a filter every 6 months or a year to the cost of operating the boat and it becomes a noise-level problem.............

I certainly wouldn't advocate using a cheaper product of questionable or inferior quality, but I don't believe a Yanmar filter, belt, or zinc, is of any higher quality than a good quality aftermarket product.

I don't mind paying more for higher quality, but for similar quality not so much.
 
RProffer":1a6lws2p said:
I have not shopped around for parts for the BY engine because I have a YM engine. I was surprised to find out the price for parts at my local Yanmar service center (Zahniser's) was very close to the same as what Ranger offers (plus or minus a couple of dollars) and what I found on the internet...........

I'm sure most Yanmar parts suppliers try to keep their prices as competative as possible; it's the price that Yanmar sets that keeps the prices so high.
 
rt11002003":29opu1q6 said:
A new solenoid runs almost $300..................The solenoid can be replaced, using a mounting adapter, with a Mercury solenoid costing around $18. 😀
gene

Good work, the mounting adapter saved you $280! 😉
 
Karma":2xl0jmon said:
First, you guys are all looking at this wrong....... you are looking at it as dollars...... you must look at it as "Boat Units". One "Boat Unit" is $1,000.00. So, that $45.00 oil filter is really .045% of one boat unit! Wow, that is cheap!

I wish I got paid in 'boat units' instead of dollars! 😀
 
Karma":1mab9ns2 said:
There is just something about reading some things on paper and others on a screen.

Yes, I've found that you can't roll up an iPad and stick it in your back pocket. 😉
 
Thanks guys for all the replies. However, we don't seem to have got anywhere with the cross referencing.
Good quality cross referenced parts can have another advantage besides price, that being availability.
Every small town has an auto parts store, but Yanmar dealers are few and far between.

I'm going to look into it further and if I find anything useful I'll post it.
 
Gulfsailor:

I wasn't putting emphasis quality, high or low. I was talking about specs. There some very high quality filters out there that might fit the engine but could destroy it because of the internals. Sometimes dig into the hundreds of specs for oil filters that have nothing to do with quality per se.

What I was saying is that for some Yanmar parts, it pays to buy the label. For other parts, if you are willing to do some homework, you can find local substitutes that are of equal quality, sometimes at better prices. If you review some of the discussions concerning fluids on this board it appears that Yanmar should be wearing a mask and carrying a gun when pitching those.

An example of a substitution is that one time in The Bahamas we needed a belt for our 4JHE. We had to fit our last spare and had 3 more months of cruise left. NAPA lives in The Bahamas, too. Shipping one in from a Yanmar dealer in the states would have taken days and/or cost a fortune. That makes no sense, even on "Bahamas Time".
 
abcandjrc":3qt4i04i said:
What I was saying is that for some Yanmar parts, it pays to buy the label. For other parts, if you are willing to do some homework, you can find local substitutes that are of equal quality, sometimes at better prices. If you review some of the discussions concerning fluids on this board it appears that Yanmar should be wearing a mask and carrying a gun when pitching those.

That makes perfect sense.
 
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