Year of boat vs Build Quality

2008 RC25 Classic....... 7 on build. 3 on design and engineering. If it's difficult to maintain/repair it most likely will be deferred or poorly repaired. The 2008 RT-25 Classic was not designed with maintenance in mind. The Monkey Fur is dumb...it simply sucks up the diesel fumes and to mention diesel fumes, I have never operated a diesel powered boat that produces so much exhaust fumes into the cabin during normal operations, in fact it is a safety issue...and the battery bank and the Generator located on the same side causing a design listing to Port enhanced by the Prop Factor during cruise.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love the little Tug and will consider another larger Tug in the future... but to pretend all is perfect is bad business for Ranger Tug... and...everything on the Engine is a bitch for old folks to service. Thank GOD for the new outboard design concepts.

Tex
 
"to pretend all is perfect is bad business for Ranger Tug"

Quote of the day right there, IMO.
 
Model 242C
Year 2017
Build quality 6
 
2020 R23 - Build quality = 9.75

IMO, Ranger Tugs does not "pretend all is perfect". On the contrary, my dealings with everyone at RT has been very positive. I don't remember who said it... but during our buying process, they posed the question "please let us know what we can improve upon". (paraphrased due to bad (read: old) memory)

I've never felt like RT acted like they were perfect.

I wonder how many are tainted because of dealing with a dealer of RT? I'm lucky enough to be located between their manufacturing facilities. I hear stories on Tugnuts about bad service from local dealers, which of course, can reflect directly on FM/RT... but I wold imagine FM couldn't just 'drop' dealerships if something isn't done quite right. It's not like there are unlimited dealers from which to choose. But, it's not my business model, so I could be wrong...

My experience with FM/RT has been one that has won a customer for life, as well as steering any who express interest in a pocket trawler towards FM/RT. This is coming from someone that has only owned SeaRay boats - and a good many of them at that. Never have I had the level of service from SeaRay that I experienced with FM!
 
2012 21EC score of 9.5

Had many big boats and the most I would give any is a 9.

Design, functionality and fit-for-purpose 10.

A few minor things possibly could have been better, but not much. Simply, a hand made boat will always have a few minor issues. Part of the charm.

I could not be happier with our Ranger Tug. Thank you for a great product.
 
Greetings

Ranger Tug 23 Diesel
year 2017
build quality - 8
 
2012 Cutwater 28
Build quality = 6
Screws falling out everywhere, upholstery fabric disintegrated in 5 years without appreciable use, etc.etc.
 
I have 2021 R-23 and the build quality seems quite high. I would give it a 9.0
 
RT25SC
2014
Build quality 5 to 6

Approx $7000 to fix factory issues
 
It seems that proximity to RT does make a difference in their responsiveness and general owner experience.

I see posts on here about "so and so from RT stopped by my house and fixed my issues."

That's great for that owner, but I'm on the opposite coast. No one is going to drop in on their way home and fix my boat 😀

So long distance coordination of repairs, etc. is important and the part that I'm not seeing happen.
 
As far as proximity to RT, I think a lot depends on your dealer. I am on the East Coast and over an hour away from my dealer. I purchased my boat used with a 30 day warranty from the dealer. I encountered several problems within the first couple weeks and my dealer, Pocket Yacht in Maryland, was very quick to be at the boat to fix the problems. The major problems I had with the boat were build issues that did not show up during sea trial, survey or within dealer the warranty period. Since RT only warrants the boat for the original owner I was stuck with the bills.
 
Agree that of course there will be dealers who offer better service than others.

I would say that what's missing in my opinion is some process of escalation with RT when/if warranty issues are not addressed properly or timely.

RT includes a warranty with their boats and they need to back that up even when the dealer doesn't perform their part.

Again, IMO.
 
Ranger 31CB
2013
9
 
Results so far:

Year Model Rating
2019 R23 6
2009 R25 Classic 8
2011 R29 Classic 8.5
2014 R27 Classic 9.5
2017 R25 Classic 9
2016 R21 EC 8
2008 R25 Classic 8
2014 R21 EC 8.5
2015 R21 EC 8
2018 R27 OB 6
2018 R27 9.5
2009 21EC 7
2020 R27 OB 9
2009 21EC 8.5
2018 R23 8
2014 R31CB 9
2018 242C 7
2018 R23 9.9
2010 R25 SC 8
2015 R21 EC 9
2008 R25 Classic 7
2017 242C 6
2019 R27 8.5
2020 R23 9.75
2012 21EC 9.5
2017 R27 Diesel 8
2012 Cutwater 28 6
2014 RT25SC 6
2014 R31 8

Average rating is just over 8, which I'm guessing is pretty good for most manufacturers.

I'm not seeing any pattern by year or model, but I'm not a statistician by any means.

Hope others find this interesting.

Will update again if we get more responses.
 
Customer service and the build quality are two different subjects. Build quality in the upper ranges 8,9,10 does not need customer service. Most of the issues in a boat with a build quality in this range should be delivered with no warranty build issues between the QC check sheet at the factory and the pre-delivery rig check sheet (PDI) The only issue that could come up is vendor warranty issues which has really nothing to do with build quality.

Build quality should include (1) Hull construction, (2)Gel coat quality ( additives used to help UV damage) (3)Fastener quality,(4) new technology advancements used, ( lack of wood and use of composite ) (5) Hull and top side bonding ( proper sealing of deck to hull and all exterior installed components sealed ) (6) Machinery alignment,( Inboards, Keel extension to hull, cutlass alignment to engine coupler, engine centered on engine bed and no soft foot, Correct overall propeller installed) (outboards, engine mounted at proper elevation, engine properly bonded, correct prop for stern lifting and proper rpm, cables and hoses installed properly and sealed, engine pods sealed correctly) (7) Electrical system installed as per ABYC recommendations, QC check sheet filled out confirming that all connections are made properly, tightened and proved to function to manufactures specifications. (8) plumbing installed and tested no leaks, routed properly to sumps, over board drains, tank and faucet connections correctly made and proved. (9) Interior finishes (10) all vender installed equipment installed to the venders specifications.


The objective of any manufacturer is to build quality and make a profit. Any manufacturer that compromises one for the other goes out of business or is reorganized. When a manufactures warranty department and customer service department is overwhelmed with calls , complaints, and prides there business with customer service. There will be many positive comments of how well they were taken care of when they had issues. There will also be as many that have had bad experiences. The fix is not to have a better customer service department. The fix is have a better quality control department. Give the warranty department a break. Smaller manufactures have more people that are involved in the build and not in the issues of the build when it leaves the factory. When I purchased my C26 in 2016 I had read TugNuts post for about a year. There were very few negative post. When there was Andrew Custis was responding and posting a resolution. This was not often, there were more issues of small problems that mostly were caused from owner error. I was impressed ! When I purchased my new C26 I had put Fluid Motion on a high standard. I shortly realized that the quality was good but not flawless. I had leaks, electrical issues, plumbing issues, electronic issues, trim tabs installed in properly, engine installed improperly, high engine compartment temperatures. The dealership I purchased from was a good reputable honest dealer but at the time lacked in house service. It took me 4 months to get a PDI and when I finally got a PDI I had to handle it myself. Fluid Motion was aware of this but just kept telling me that's your dealers responsibility. Well it really was my responsibility so I could get my Volvo warranty. So I took care of it.

After 6 months of ownership and realizing that I needed to take the warranty issues into my own hands and making the repairs myself. I worked with the dealership. Any issues that needed parts I called them and within a month I had the parts. a couple items took longer but I did receive them at no cost. The issue with doing all the repairs is I had to remove panels, and take the boat apart to get at wiring, plumbing, air unit, interior near the anchor locker..... When I did this I would find more issues, I had to say " what were they thinking when they did That!!!!" a thousand times. My wife would tell me fix it but don't look for something else to fix. It seemed hard to do. I have had my hands in every nook of this boat and seen some poor workmanship and seen some awesome workmanship. I needed to add this so that my rating is understood. I am not the boat owner that rates a boat by how well the customer service department takes care of me. I rate a boat on how well it is built, how well it performs, how well it is designed, and how well it holds up to the harsh elements in the marine industry. If I rated it on customer service I would rate it at 8. I never really experienced a 8 rating but I probably didn't give them a chance to provide the service. I believe overall the customer service department is there to give everyone a good experience.

I would rate the build of my C26 at the time that I received it at a (6). slightly above average. I believe that with all the repairs and upgrades I have done to the boat to fix or install equipment to ABYC recommendations the boat is a strong (7) now. I like the boat, it is comfortable for a boat its size.
 
R31-SE
2018
Build Quality/Design 9.5
Support 10

We bought our boat directly from Fluid Motion and it included the “Factory Experience”. Seeing our boat being built and the high quality of the components made us confident that we had made the right choice.

The delivery of the boat in Des Moines included a complete walk through of all the systems at the dock, followed by a day on the water learning how to operate the vessel.

For sure, we have had some mechanical and electrical problems, but the support from the Ranger support team has been outstanding.

We love our little tug!
 
2016 RT 29-S.
build quality 9.5
only real isssue: SS fittings washers and nuts rusting.
Otherwise couldn't be happier.
 
2018 R29S......build quality 9.0, support 9.5
2012 R27 classic.....build quality 8.5, support 9.5

We live in Michigan, have had no DEALER service work performed. Anything warranty work wise that has been done on our boats has been set up by the factory, I’ve organized and the factory has paid for, component company has arranged shipment of part or service or I’ve installed the warranty part. In my case it did not matter if we were in Florida, Michigan or the PNW we have been taken care of. Another ancillary benefit of Fluid Motion boats that get a 10 plus is the company representation at Rendezvous’ in the Great Lakes, Florida and East Coast....let alone the factory events in the PNW.

Jim F
 
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