Cockpit table stability on my R-27/OB

[baz]

Subject: Cockpit table stability on my R-27/OB

I knew from the beginning that the slender single pedestal for the cockpit table offers little stability even when securely seated; pedestal to the floor bracket and table pushed down firmly into its taper holder.

For past few days I tried to live with its constant wobble and have become frustrated with it as drinks especially will spill and things will move about whenever someone places their hand of elbow on the tables edge.

This aspect has been discussed elsewhere here and some have offered/shared what they've done to fix this issue.

This person will now lean on those posts for advice to once and for all resolve this problem for me and my passengers.

I will be following the same installation that Brian Brown posted here http://www.tugnuts.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=10951&p=76113&hilit=Garelick#p76113 - that is purchasing the Garelick/Eez Table Pedestal. Amazon appears to be out-of-stock for this item (the $82.15 one here https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00144732Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1) at this time so will look elsewhere or wait for Amazon to restock. Alternatively I could spend $128.16 to get this one (exactly same as for the $82.15 one) on Amazon which is in stock - https://www.amazon.com/Garelick-Eez...pID=317ir79VCdL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch.

I also note that Discount Marine Supplies.com has this same Garelick 75640 Quick Release Table Pedestal system in stock for $74.78 - Internet shopping is wonderful.... 😀 - http://www.discountmarinesupplies.c...MI7aqGxb6k2wIVFsNkCh3vGwUfEAQYBCABEgJGM_D_BwE

There isn't anything more annoying than a wobbly table, or is there ? :lol:

 

[baz]

FYI...
I placed my order with Discount Marine Supplies the other day as their web site indicated it was In-Stock. Got Email today from them saying it was not In-Stock. 😱 🙁 They indicated maybe they will have new stock in 10 to 14 days. In meantime my AMEX has been charged and they did indicate they would refund the charge if I wanted. I've decided to let things be as they are and hopefully will have the Garelick/Eez pedestal in a few weeks time. 🙂

 

[ixlr8]

Yep, we need to do something about the stability/security of the Cockpit table on our boat. It has been up twice, put up by the dealer both times to show it off. Both times it ended up falling over, last time the table fell on dealers co-worker's foot. It has spent so little time in position I never had the chance to check it out. Sounds like it is just as unstable as the berth table.

 

[baz]

I received good news today. The Garelick/Eez table pedestal is now in stock and is on its way to me from the Connecticut warehouse. Allyson Gray who handles such things at Discount Marine Supplies was very helpful and has kept me informed and is now expediting the shipment. Great customer service if you ask me. 😀

 

[boaterjoe]

I have a C-28 and installed a Garelick pedestal and have not looked back. Very stable, looks no more intrusive and is much stronger. I highly recommend this pedestal for any cockpit table.
boaterjoe
Flying Turtle C-28
Bainbridge Island, WA

 

[baz]

I have a C-28 and installed a Garelick pedestal and have not looked back. Very stable, looks no more intrusive and is much stronger. I highly recommend this pedestal for any cockpit table.
boaterjoe
Flying Turtle C-28
Bainbridge Island, WA

This is good to know and look forward to abandoning my wonky cockpit table. 😀

 

[BB marine]

Thru bolting the base 1/4-20 screws and #12 oval head screws for the table mount it's not going anywhere. The deck mount locking tabs create a positive connection to the deck plate. There is no wobble. That install was one of the easier projects but was appreciated more then most by my wife.

 

[baz]

Thru bolting the base 1/4-20 screws and #12 oval head screws for the table mount it's not going anywhere. The deck mount locking tabs create a positive connection to the deck plate. There is no wobble. That install was one of the easier projects but was appreciated more then most by my wife.

Hmmmm.... does the Garelick/Eez unit include bolts/screws ?

[EDIT] Just researched this and found bolts/screws/nuts hardware is not included. So what lengths for the 1/4-20 screws for Deck Mount ring and the #12 oval head screws for the table surface mount did you use ?

I would have thought the Deck Ring should be bolted and not screwed, just as the RT's stock metal one is.

 

[BB marine]

Hmmmm.... does the Garelick/Eez unit include bolts/screws ?

[EDIT] Just researched this and found bolts/screws/nuts hardware is not included. So what lengths for the 1/4-20 screws for Deck Mount ring and the #12 oval head screws for the table surface mount did you use ?

I would have thought the Deck Ring should be bolted and not screwed, just as the RT's stock metal one is.

Yes the Deck ring (Deck plate) is thru bolted I used 1 1/2 " 1/4 -20 machine screws, fender washers and lock nuts for the deck. and #12 oval head screws 3/4" to mount the table base to the bottom of the table. All hardware was 316 stainless .

 

[baz]

Brian: Thanks much for that detail. I note the same 1-1/2" thru bolts/nuts/washer and the 3/4" screws are the exact same ones RT has used for the base/deck plate and for attaching the table mount plate. I will assume these can be reused and will check that when I receive my Garelick unit.

Thanks... 😀

 

[baz]

Received my Garelick table pedestal last Thursday. Today went to boat to install. The base plate has four bolt holes vs. 5 for the stock metal one RT uses. I was able to use one of the original holes and this also allowed the garelick base plate to be centered nicely as was the RT's metal base plate. I had to drill out 3 extra holes. Using SS bolts and Nylon nuts I made it very secure to the cockpit floor (use sealant for the new holes and squeezed sealant into the original holes RT had made. Took me all of 30 minutes with me taking my time. I pulled off the RT's table bracket and attached the Garelick table plate and had to use longer 3/4" screws that RT had used.

Locking down the Garelick floor base plate to the permanent base plate was a snap and then placing the table with its new base plate onto the 2-1/4" die post was easy and pressing down firmly on the table made for a very sturdy and non-wobbly table.

I'm very very pleased with this Garelick table pedestal. For the $75 and 1 hour of my time this was an easy project and well worth my time.

I note that Amazon sells a Deck Ring Cover ($14.40) for the Garelick base plate that is permanently attached to the cockpit floor and I think this will make for a cleaner look when the table is not in use. It can be ordered as Black ($14.40) or Taupe ($7.95).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A8OGYB2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A381HCEH4ASDMW&psc=1

 

[Kimberly Dawn]

Barry,

Seems like this pedestal solution is a good one. When you remove the table/pedestal from the cockpit area, does the table easily remove from the pedestal for stowage. Do you have a part number for the base coverplate when table is stowed? Will you be taking pictures for your album? Thanks for all your info, it's been very useful as we await our July delivery of our R27-OB!


Bob & Kim
The Doghouse 2

 

[baz]

Barry,

Seems like this pedestal solution is a good one. When you remove the table/pedestal from the cockpit area, does the table easily remove from the pedestal for stowage. Do you have a part number for the base coverplate when table is stowed? Will you be taking pictures for your album? Thanks for all your info, it's been very useful as we await our July delivery of our R27-OB!


Bob & Kim
The Doghouse 2

The Geralick product is indeed a good son for replacing RT's wobble table support.

You wrote: When you remove the table/pedestal from the cockpit area, does the table easily remove from the pedestal for stowage.

Yes and no. YES if not too much effort/pressure was applied to firmly/secure the top of the tapered post into the tables base plate, and NO if a great deal of force is used to insert the top tapered post end into the tables base plate. If a great deal of force is used (as I did to ensure no trace of wobble) some effort is required to break loose the tapered end. However, one soon to this is to drill a hole just below the taper such that a long narrow diameter screw driver can be slid through the two holes to provide some turning force to loosen up the tapered end from the table's base plate. This is my solution for either the Yes and No response to you.

You wrote: Do you have a part number for the base coverplate when table is stowed?

In my postings I have provided links to the Amazon Garelick Eez Table Pedestal product including the cover plate in my last post. That should get you want you've asked for.

You wrote: Will you be taking pictures for your album?

Yes I will and will post back when this has been done later today.
[EDIT] Here's the link to the photo album > http://www.tugnuts.com/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=63782

One additional note related to storage for the table with and without the pedestal being attached.

If the pole/pedestal is detached from the table's base plate then storage is straight forward, right ?

If the pole/pedestal is left attached to the table's base plate the combined unit (table and pole) could be stowed in the cave such that the table is laid flat down and its pole is then positioned vertically in the aft area of the cave where there's no height restriction.

 

[baz]

I received my Garelick/Eez-In 75642:01 Deck Ring Cover and placed it onto the cockpit's pedestal/pole mounting bracket. It makes for a clean look and crud etc will not be collecting in the base plate now. It's made from the same material as the Garlic/Eez product's base plate. It engages the same slots as the pedestal's base bracket. I add a photo of it to my Photo Album given above.

 

[Kimberly Dawn]

Thanks, Barry, for leading the way to the R27-OB cockpit table solution. My pedestal and coverplate are being delivered soon, with vessel delivery due in July... we'll be ready for it!

Bob & Kim
The Doghouse 2

 

[baz]

Thanks, Barry, for leading the way to the R27-OB cockpit table solution. My pedestal and coverplate are being delivered soon, with vessel delivery due in July... we'll be ready for it!

Bob & Kim
The Doghouse 2

If you REALLY want a VERY stable cockpit table then having two Garelick/Eez table pedestals would do the trick. The only set back to this solution is that one would need to leave the stock metal bracket attached to the center of the cockpit's center hatch, or else remove it and patch the holes so they aren't visible.

 

[Kimberly Dawn]

I received the Garelick pedestal yesterday... looks well made with finishes complimentary to the cockpit area. I asked mfr if the design allowed table / top mount to be removed from pedestal for stowage... they indicated it was removable. Is that your understanding now the unit is installed?

Bob & Kim
The Doghouse 2

 

[baz]

If by "table / top mount" you mean the part that is screwed into the bottom of the table, then yes it can be removed as it's held by 6x 3/4" screws (at least I used 3/4" screws for this). Removing the screws is no more than a 3 minute activity, but be sure to keep the screws safe for reuse.

Why would you want to remove the "table / top mount" ? I leave mine on/attached and stow the table top in its canvas cover facing up with mount underneath in the bow storage section under the bow cushion where the bow thruster's access hatch is. It fits there perfectly and the bow cushion lays flat without any interference with the table. With the table top in this position there still is plenty of stowage space for other things under the table top.

 

[Kimberly Dawn]

Barry, you have me at a disadvantage in that you have your vessel to know what fits where. I was suggesting the whole top mount assembly (with table still attached) could be detached from fluted pedestal and stowed independent of pedestal if necessary. If keeping pieces attached is convenient for storing, that's great! Bob

 

[baz]

Bob: Yes, when I take the cockpit table down I have it in two pieces:

1) Table and its attached pedestal mounting plate
2) The pedestal and its foot plate that attaches and locks into the fixed cockpit's floor.

I then stow the table and its pedestal mounting plate into the bow storage area where there's the hatch access to the bow thruster.

I typically will simply place the pedestal and its foot plate still attached firmly to the fluted tube in the cave under the dinette area or elsewhere wherever it will fit. It could be placed in several places obviously as its just a tube with a plate attached to one end.