Filling the Deisel tanks from a Truck Stop

captaincook

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C-288 C
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FMLT2912
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Endeavour
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338125223
I recently (September 16th) picked up my new R29 from Wefings, and not wanting to haul a full fuel load, waited until I got to Atlanta before attempting to fill the tanks. Fortunately at the exit off the Interstate, to our marina, there is a Truck Stop (no deisel at my home lake).Being to long to go through the normal pump lanes, I went to the big rig side to get fuel. Once I got to the pumps, I found out the pump nozel will not fit into the fill ports on the boat. I had to jam the nozel in, and could only trickle the diesel into the tanks. As you can guess, it took a long time to get the tanks full. I was wondering if anyone has had this same experience, and how you solved the problem.
 
You might try a large funnel.
Bob
 
I saw someone use PVC piping to make an adapter once that worked really well. The used a wider pipe with an adapter to a narrower pipe size and slapped a pvc adapter with male threading on the end. They would screw the pvc pipe into the fill port and then fill through the wider pipe...does that make sense? I am in a rush but hopefully you get the idea...
 
In addition to the larger diameter fill nozzle, the truck pumps also dispense fuel at a much higher rate.
I have the same issue filling my pickup from a truck pump.
While the nozzle will fit, the flow rate is higher than my truck can handle.
Bill
 
I have had better luck using one of the "Farm" fuel pumps (off road only) pumps located at many rural stations. I live only about a mile from the GA/AL line and the pump at the stateline station near me has tax free (red dyed) fuel for about 35 cents/gallon below road fuel. I especially like how these pumps are often out of the way from the regular pumps and the one I use is very easy to get the boat up to. Generaly there is little traffic because those that stop at these pumps make very large purchases. Alot of local log equipment and bulldozer owners use the same pump. Perfectly legal in your boat in Georgia. I have been told there may be a few states that require road taxes to be paid on boats because the marinas and waterways are state supported however I don't think it is true in the SE USA.
 
I just thought I'd say one more thing. You don't have to pull the trigger all the way. Look into the funnel options, you may find one that works.
Bob
 
You likely will need to scout for a gas station with diesel (for cars and pickups) that has the small nozzle... Same problem with my R25... Luckily I have a local station that has a large straight through shot past the diesel pump with adequate room for turning in and out... The diesel fill pipe on the R25/27/29 needs re-engineering... Even with a small nozzle there is a rivet that sticks up on the inside of the filler that blocks the nozzle... Fillling the tank without a spill is an exercise on caution and frustration... I am surprised that Jeff has not responded to the complaints after years of this and went to a new supplier for that part...
 
I do this all the time...

I have a "Copper Jiggler Pump" which I purchased at Harbor Freight (www.harborfreight.com) Item #47334..

This goes into a 5 Gallon Jug and you shake it for the siphon to start... The Jug must be higher than the end of the hose going into the tank.. It is slick..

Wilkie
 
I went the homemade funnel route mentioned by doke01.
The funnel starts with a short piece of allthread male pipe that screws into the fuel fitting on the boat.
Then I used various PVC fittings to increase the diameter to 4 inch.
 
I did not complain about filling the fuel tank on my R25 because I am used to that on my Ford F250 which has a small tank fill inlet. But the above statement about nozzle size should be remembered. Many diesel fuel pumps have a large size fuel nozzle. Not only are they too large but the flow rate is often too fast (larger delivery pump???). Big potential for messy event. Fortunately my local red dyed fuel pump has a small nozzle. I do carry a funnel for use when travelling. I have also encountered large nozzles at a few marina pumps. Must be used to much larger diesel powwered boats.
 
I used a 1 3/4 nipple that screws in to the filler, added a reducer from 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 with 45 degree elbow and bought a cap to go with it. ( in case you lose the regular cap) because you must take off the chain to use those fittings. Never spilled a drop after that. Just finger tight so it is easy to put on and take off.

captd
 
Just a heads-up for those here in sunny FL. The red dyed untaxed offroad diesel can only be used by commercial fishermen; it is illegal for pleasure boat use in this state.

Although the chances of getting caught are small, the penalties if you are can be draconian, including forfeiture of the vessel or vehicle concerned.

It's especially annoying when you have an offroad fuel supplier just down the road! :evil:
 
I had heard that some stated did alloy you to use dyed fuel in boats but was shocked to learn that Florida restricted use. Since I live next door in Alabama and like to haul my boat down once a year to stay a couple of weeks that concerns me. I normally either purchase fuel at my local farm pump near my home in Alabama or at a Marina during summer season where I keep my boat in Tennessee. Since either source is dyed (marinas in Tennessee sell tax free diesel) I would normally have some amount dyed fuel in my tank when hauling into Florida. The Alabama and Tennessee state tax cops use a dip tube to sample fuel tanks in road trucks I have seen how easy enforcement can be. They normally do not bother people with personal diesel trucks like mine but all it takes is a single phone call by an anonomous caller to result in being checked. In Alabama & Tennessee the tax police consider this as tax fraud which is a very serious offence rather than a simple hyway ticket. Any evidence of red dye is an offence since it showed you had placed tax free fuel in your tank at some time. Since all road fuel is taxed in all 50 states this seems reasonable but that method of enforcement for boater would be questionable. I assume that I should keep my uel receipt whenever I go to Florida to prove that I legally purchased the fuel. But it seems enforcemant of this could get very sticky. Do any those living in Florida know how this is enforced?
 
commander bill":1yx6xgr8 said:
I had heard that some stated did alloy you to use dyed fuel in boats but was shocked to learn that Florida restricted use. .................. Do any those living in Florida know how this is enforced?

Here's the link to the relevant information: https://taxlaw.state.fl.us/view.asp...ther Fuel Taxes - Tax Information Publication
and here's the part that concerns marine use:
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"Commercial Fishermen
Commercial fishermen should use dyed diesel fuel to operate boats, vessels, or equipment used exclusively for the taking of fish, crayfish, oysters, shrimp, or sponges from salt or fres waters under the jurisdiction of this state, for resale to the public. Use tax is not due on this dyed diesel when the fuel is consumed in the territorial waters of this state or when totally consumed in the waters outside the territorial limits of this state. (Fuel consumed traveling to the off-shore waters of this state from a Florida port is considered to have been consumed in off-shore waters.)

If Undyed Diesel is purchased and consumed by commercial fishermen for any of the purposes discussed in the paragraph above, the commercial fishermen may apply for a refund of the "on-road" taxes already included in the price of the undyed diesel.

Commercial Vessel
If you are not currently authorized to pro-rate your payment of sales and use tax (SUT) on purchases of equipment, parts, and mrepairs for your vessel(s), you must be registered for SUT purposes. You must also remit the use tax on dyed diesel fuel directly to DOR (as discussed under What Does This Mean to Me?).
If you are currently pro-rating your sales and use tax on purchases of equipment, parts, repairs, and fuel, your tax payment method for dyed diesel fuel has not changed.

[NOTE: The law requires pleasure boats to use Undyed Diesel fuel.]
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The most common places to be checked for dyed fuel in a vehicle, including privately owned, is in the surrounding area of a construction site (where offroad diesel is usually readily available), and at horse shows and competitions as the farms from which the vehicles usually originate often have offroad fuel available for farm use.

I don't know about marine checks, but here in FL as elsewhere, the attitude of the Coastguard and the Marine Patrol has dramatically changed from the relatively 'civilian friendly' one of the days before 9/11.

The Coastguard DO have quotas to meet in terms of boats checked, and if 25 boats need to checked over and there are only 20 boats on the water in their patch, then 5 boats WILL get check over twice, no matter how stupid it seems.

I haven't heard of tanks being dipped, but I have heard of filter bowls being sampled. I'm told that although there's no quota for tickets, it's frowned on if a check is made and something hasn't been spotted to write up, as it's rare for a boat to be 100% in compliance.

This isn't a rant, but a heads up that everything needs to be correct, from the paperwork, to the Marpol plaques, to the flare dates, and always have you fenders readily available for deployment. 😉
 
SEVERAL Comments have been made about FL. Fuel

While i make no claim to any knowledge I did go to :

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... /0206.html

section 206.874 (3) (m)

Which to my old eyes may indicate that a noncommercial vehicle is exempt--

This is the Fl 2011 statutes - again no claims to being correct - just an interesting section

John
 
SUWANNEE":38zihzed said:
SEVERAL Comments have been made about FL. Fuel

While i make no claim to any knowledge I did go to :

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... /0206.html

section 206.874 (3) (m)

Which to my old eyes may indicate that a noncommercial vehicle is exempt--

This is the Fl 2011 statutes - again no claims to being correct - just an interesting section

John


From that section it certainly appears that we would be in the clear, which would be nice.
I'll see what I can find out by phone tomorrow.
 
That would be nice....

I know that 2 marinas in the Big Bend area pumped "pink" diesel into my tank ...soooo I was a little -no- a lot concerned but I "think" that item "m" leaves very little doubt-- please advise tomorrow

John
 
Every marina I have used here in FL only sell the red dyed diesel. They then add the tax onto the amount. I guess save your receipts.
 
here in virginia you save your boat fuel receipt to get a refund on the tax at the end of the year
 
I guess you could surround yourself with documents and paper work, set up your own bio deisel conversion plant and gather used frying oil, take your chances with the Coasties or FWC or buy at a truck stop. A regular Gas station is still cheaper than a marina.
 
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