Generator on 2021 c-24 coupe

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Nwdiver

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Fluid Motion Model
C-288 C
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FML28C09H222
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Old Bold Diver
I am aware the factory no longer offers a generator on new boats as an option. Are the through hull fittings still there? If so what was the manufacture/model that was previously offered? Does the factory have any recommendations for aftermarket generators
 
Hello Nwdiver,

If the boat was not built with a generator then none of the components would be installed. You will need to add the through hull fitting along with the rest of the equipment. I'd reach out to a local service center where you boat to see what they recommend. Only reason I say this is because I would want someone close by for warranty work should it arise.

-Kenny
 
Was afraid of that. The owners manual available on the cutwater web site still refers to the generator fittings and location, so I thought it was a possibility, I guess it is going to be a bigger job then I was hoping for. Thanks for the fast response.

Am still a bit away from purchasing a boat, have to build a garage to put it in, maybe the factory will start offering one again
 
I use a Honda 2200 on my C24 and it work just fine.
KKRCRACE
 
Yes, that is what my local dealer suggested, and that may be how I end up. It is definitely a cheaper option, but I like the convenience of just pushing a button to get power. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Honda would have to be strapped to the deck or transom someplace. I would hesitate to use the generator at anywhere except at anchor in calm seas. The generator decision trickles down to another decision that I have to make, how to heat the boat, diesel or the air/rev conditioner. The diesel is probably the best option for the PNW but I really hate to have yet another fuel to deal with. I have a bit before I need to make a decision
 
I would look at how often you would use it and the alternatives much like you are doing. I have a generator as do most that are in the southeast for air conditioning in the hot summer. Now that I have had it a few years I would really like it if there was a viable alternative. I currently have issues with the generator. I previously had issues with the a/c unit. So with each piece of equipment you have potential issues. Besides the fact that the installed generator is louder than many of the portable models on the market. Also it is not always easy to find a qualified technician to work on this equipment.

I understand the reason they do not offer the generator is that they have come up with an improved battery/inverter system.
 
I'm going to post my opinions about this. I will say my opinion has changed several times from the time of purchasing the boat and now.

The C26 we own came with a Dometic Marine air (Heat and cool) It works great when shore power is available. We did not take delivery with a Generator or inverter. No generator because I didn't want the additional weight and cost of the unit. No inverter because I did not like the unit that Fluid Motion was installing. I wanted a larger inverter and a pure sine wave inverter. I installed a 2000W Kisea.
No solar panel because I wanted a larger Radar Dome and also wanted to store a paddle board on the roof. The combination of the two items would block the sun and the panels efficiency would be reduced.

My thought was the 2000W would power anything I needed to use on board except the Air unit ( I don't have enough battery capacity even when using the engine alternator. The alternators life expectancy will be effected by the high amperage needs.) I would be able to cook, TV, Hot water, fans, and use an electric heater to take the chill out of the air. I installed a battery switch to parallel the Thruster battery to the house bank to add an additional battery for use while at anchor. This system works good for one night on the hook. Example: cruise all day battery banks charged, drop hook, refrigerator (on), small 12V freezer (0n) a few lights used, anchor light used, Microwave used for short periods, coffee maker used, fresh water pump used, head used. In the morning the house battery bank is at 12.4V which is in need of charge.

The no generator, no solar panel choice, has been questioned by me many times. It is really questioned when cruising for days, weeks, and months. If I were to do it over I would have ordered the boat with a generator. Could I install a generator ? Yes, but I have installed a lot of additional equipment and made many customized changes that I need to draw the line as to how much money to put into this boat.

I purchased a 2200W Honda generator. I was hesitant to use a portable generator onboard. There are many safety concerns to take into consideration. Questions I had-

Where do I store it? The Cutwaters and Ranger Tugs have no ventilation installed for compartments, engine or lazarette. So storing the generator in a storage compartment would be a hazard. Placing the generator in the cockpit is not advised because the cockpit is considered the engine compartment because of the boats ventilation design. The air being drawn below the deck comes from the cockpit as per design. The swim platform would work but it is under water when cruising.

Where do I operate to to confirm that there is no back draft or "tailgating" of (CO) into living spaces.

Will the 2200W be able to operate the air unit for cool and heat? Will I be able to charge the batteries and use other 120V components at the same time ? My goal was to be able to charge the batteries and use 120V components to extend my day's at anchorage.

My solutions: Additional ventilation installed in the storage compartment designed to house a permanently installed generator. The Honda fits perfectly for storage. The Honda that I purchased has a carb compliant fuel tank ( no spill ) It also has a fuel shut off valve to remove all fuel from the fuel system between the fuel tank and the engine. This ellimiates the chances of fumes in the compartment. This generator also has a auto CO shut down. If hazardous (CO) levels are detected the generator it will automatically shut down. I installed (CO) detector in the cockpit that reads the (CO) levels and alarms when levels are hazardous. I installed an additional (CO) detector in the V Berth area with the same features and there is a factory installed (CO) detector in the 1/4 berth. I made a small stand that elevates the Generator on the swim platform to keep it high enough so that water can not damage the generator while being used on the swim platform. I have hold down straps that secure it to the swim platform.

Use's, I have used this generator several times while cruising. It will operate the Dometic air unit without the soft start. We have used it to cool the cabin and more often to heat the cabin in the morning when it is cold. I normally start it in the morning to charge the batteries, make coffee, use the toaster, and make breakfast. 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours in the evening will keep the battery banks charged, heat water, and used for cooking and provide some air temperature comfort. It works but it is by no means as convenient as a built-in. The generator has made extended days at anchorage doable for our uses. We have never used the generator while underway. The Honda is not loud but you know when it is running it does make noise so I am considerate if other boats are close to us in anchorage. I will not use the generator if anyone is in the water swimming.

The Honda that I purchased cost 1150.00, I made a jumper plug that combines the Neutral to the ground at the generator. I use a 30 amp adapter that plugs into the generator. I use my 3 gallon Carb compliant outboard fuel tank (My dingy's outboard tank) for the gas can. I have a male fitting that plugs into the female outboard fitting and use the primer bulb to fill the generators tank. This eliminates any spills. The tank fits into the swim platform storage box.

My opinion is If I had it to do over I would have purchased the boat with a marine generator. The Honda works but do not take the use lightly. Know the hazards and be safe.
 
I am looking into purchasing our new boat in the next year or two. And I have given the generator option some thought and currently leaning towards a portable as we will be diesel powered. I was thinking of getting a propane powered generator so I could tap into the onboard propane. Also wanted to go portable so I could run if the boat was on trailer. Just my thoughts and ideas - as I said we are looking at buying in the next couple years so this has not been done yet.
Tony
 
I do a lot of traveling by land and by sea and recently added a Honda 2000 to my store of gadgets. My R 27 2011 does have a generator, but it can't be used on land and the solar panels can't charge if there is no sun. Hence the Honda keeps the batteries happy. I run the Honda power through my battery charger which I can set at 1500 watts so I don't overload the Honda. I use the Honda primarily on land, but as a back up when at sea because I depend on my watermaker when in the Bahamas as I have had issues with the onboard marine generator. The Honda is set on the swim platform to charge, stored dry in a vinyl bag, and lashed on the cabin roof beside the solar panels.
 
I bought my boat used, it came with a generator. Diesel boat, diesel generator. At the time I was thinking, man I doubt I will use it. It's a bit noisy as it has to run at a higher RPM to make 60 cycle electricity. Not the easiest thing to work on either, its in a tight spot.

However, it is surprisingly useful. Many times I'm on the hook and its cold, or hot, or humid. I can run the HVAC no problem.

Although I also have a solar panel, you just can't get enough sunlight to bring your batteries back up. Even without air, you want to make breakfast, have coffee, whatever. I have an electric range and get an insurance discount for it. Your anchor light can draw down the house batteries quite a bit too. LED upgrade can help there. Solar can partially recharge the house bank, then I use the generator for an hour or two to cap them off.

Built in gennies have safety features that are worth noting.

Considering the expense I might not have ordered it if I bought new. However, now that I have it I'm glad its there.

Will new technology make it possible to run high amperage devices like HVAC without a gennie? Maybe. So far, I see how it can do the job for one evening on the hook, eight hours or so. If you stay on the hook I'm not sure how you can recover enough for the next day, especially when its overcast.
 
BB marine":1gbhclns said:
I purchased a 2200W Honda generator. I was hesitant to use a portable generator onboard. There are many safety concerns to take into consideration. Questions I had-

I don't have my R27 as of yet (in a couple of weeks!)... Tossed and turned quite a bit, but I went with the Honda 2200 and converted it to also run on propane. I'll have an extra (3rd) propane tank in the propane locker for it, and I'll always turn off the propane and let the genset stop due to lack of fuel, which should allow me to store the genset in a lazarette when not in use. I hope to not use it much, and only when moored or at a guest dock with no shore power available...

My conversion kit will allow the genset to run on gas, but will probably never do that.
 
I have a 2018 C 24 and I use a 2000 Honda generator. I made an aluminum tray with Honda rubber feet to cut down on vibration that bolt to the bottom of the tray. The tray raises the generator 3 inches and it has 2 inch sides. I mounted it on the swim platform port side. I used two SS inch worms that bolt threw the lower part of the back wall about 2 inches above platform. I found a small SS ratchet strap to secure the generator. I keep the Honda cover on while traveling and leave it there as long as seas are not to rough. I also made a small aluminum exhaust pipe that is bent about 30 degrees to turn the exhaust away from the boat which clamps on with a screwdriver. With the 5 inches of protection from the tray I have not had any water backwash and get to the generator. My AC will not work above 13 mph because air gets under the boat and interrupts the water flow to the AC. The generator can also be made to run off the fuel supply form the motor with quick disconnect fittings and a special gas cap for the generator. The generator runs everything on my boat but I try not to have everything come on at one time.
KKRCRACE
 
Kkrcrace, I plan on getting the factory kicker motor, would that interfere with where you mounted the generator? Also, is that typical for the a/c to not function while under way? I am planning to use the a/c for heating
 
If your heat or AC requires water as mine does the water intake is under the boat in the center storage compartment. When on plane there is air under the boat which interrupts the flow of water and you will get an error code and the AC will not work. It has to have a steady supply of water to operate. I can send some photos if you give me your email. I have a few other modifications that I have also done and one of them is a dingy mount.
KKRCRACE
 
I am not sure the generator would work with the kicker motor. It would be close.
KKRCRACE
 
Another question about not having a generator. Can you run the hot water heater or the electric grill without shore power or generator? Assuming the outboard is running (at high rpm) you might be able to keep up with the power draw on the DC side, but is the inverter large enough to power the grill or water heater? The owners manual on the cutwater site doesn’t specifically call out the wattage of either
 
Could someone clarify for me the use of a portable generator. I am looking at purchasing the Honda 2200. Will it work “out of the box” (no modifications needed) to provide the equivalent of shore power on a 2021 R-23 when anchored? Additionally, is it considered a safe alternative to an installed generator? Thanks for some guidance. Electrical issues are not something I understand well. Also, does it work with a standard shore power cord?
 
pdo":2d6ufxbz said:
Could someone clarify for me the use of a portable generator. I am looking at purchasing the Honda 2200. Will it work “out of the box” (no modifications needed) to provide the equivalent of shore power on a 2021 R-23 when anchored? Additionally, is it considered a safe alternative to an installed generator? Thanks for some guidance. Electrical issues are not something I understand well. Also, does it work with a standard shore power cord?
Yes and no. It will work out of the box, but you might get a red reverse polarity light. You will get this as the generator does not tie the neutral to ground. I have the same generator and I ignore the light. If you are worried about the light, then you can tie the neutral to ground in your plug. No it does not work with a standard shore power cord. You need to get, or make, an adapter to get from the standard 110v 20 amp outlet to the 110v 30 amp plug on the shore power cord.
 
If you aren't running A/C or high-amp loads (e.g., just want something to charge the batteries), I've seen other boaters use slightly oversized kicker motors as genset replacements. A 20hp Yamaha has a 16-amp alternator -- which is close to the amperage of the Honda 2000.

If all you're doing is charging batteries, I think the 9.9hp has a 6-amp alternator. Not enough to run A/C, but possibly enough to stay on the hook if you're good with power consumption. Also something I've seen other boaters do.

You get a twofer. If you're getting the kicker anyway, figuring out this setup could be an option.
 
You might want to check your math a bit there, the alternator on the 20hp kicker does do 16 amps at wide open throttle, but it is at 13ish volts. That totals A little over 200 watts. The Honda can output 1600 watts continuous
 
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