Inside Passage 2009

norbhat

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C-248 C
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2533J809
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TWO IF BY SEA
"Two If By Sea" (RangerTug 25') plans to do the Inside Passage to Skagway, June, July, August, 2009. Any others?

We had signed up for the Inside Passage Seminar, hosted by NW Explorations and featuring Don and Reanne Douglass and others, March 28-29, 2009, at Squalicum Boathouse, Bellingham, WA. But the event has been cancelled :cry: for lack of enrollment. Emmelina, at NW Explorations, tells me that they usually have 50 in attendance. This year only 9 signed up and only half had paid. They attribute the drop-off to the economy.

Norb
 
We already filled 2009 with plans, so we won't be heading up there this year. Maybe next year?

Mac
 
Half of us would like that. The other half has turned the offer down. If a close friend was interested I would go. After we get done with the plan for the winter all the bugs will be shook out. And maybe...............If my wife wins the lotto, maybe she would loan me a few bucks. 😉
captd
 
I'm not sure I know the difference between a toy and a necessity but we're planning redundancy in depth finder, gps chart plotter, and radio (hand helds).

Would appreciate comments on Livingston 7 1/2' for a dingy.

We plan a one-month shake down for the new Ranger 25, about April 20-May 20, going as far as Princess Louisa Inlet, with lots of stops from Olympia on north. Is that feasible?

Thanks for your help :geek: .

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Hi Norb,
The duplicate equipment that you are getting is very appropriate.

Keep us in mind for your shakedown cruise plans. We are still planning our spring cruising adventures in Puget Sound. We will be out of the area on a scuba diving trip until the end of April and though May's weather can be questionable: both rain and sun, we are thinking of doing the Gulf Islands, Desolation Sound and Princess Louisa in May and early June. We have a graduation to attend in mid-June and again in mid-August so we do not want to be to far north this season.

John
 
John, our tentative schedule has us in Nanaimo May 3. Then on to Princess Louisa Inlet and back at Nanaimo May 9 or so. We do have some flexibility, but not much. Would be pleasant to hook up.

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Diamond Bear homeports in Naha Bay Alaska (near Ketchikan) on the Western Behm Cannal...her private docks will support five or six Ranger Tugs and her skipper knows all the neat anchorages around the island, including the wonderful Misty Fjords. Let us know if you'd like to partner up with us this summer for a great round the island cruise.
 
That's an AFFIRMATIVE, Diamond Bear!

We're straddling between two of the Douglasses' itineraries. One has us coming into Ketchikan June 17, the other June 29. I think they allocate a couple days to Behm Channel. We plan to be flexible.

Three questions.

1) I had asked Jeff about harvesting rain water for the storage tank. He said there was a creative Ranger Tug guy near Ketchikan who would probably like to tackle that idea. Is that you?

2) What's your recommendation for doing Glacier Bay. One of our itineraries has us there July 9-10 and the other two weeks later. Can I reserve both weeks or do I have to "cast my die" with one or the other? What happens if weather or schedule fouls arrival time? Is there merit to doing a tour out of Juneau to Glacier Bay rather than doing it on our own?

3) A couple wants to drive down from North Pole to meet us at Haines. We'd probably make the run to Skagway and back with them (although they may want to do Glacier Bay, too). What are the handling implications of an extra 350-400 pounds aboard a Ranger 25' (not to mention ability to move around--and sleep--in the cabin)?

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"Two If By Sea"
 
norbhat":x6gse9yl said:
That's an AFFIRMATIVE, Diamond Bear!

We're straddling between two of the Douglasses' itineraries. One has us coming into Ketchikan June 17, the other June 29. I think they allocate a couple days to Behm Channel. We plan to be flexible.

Three questions.

1) I had asked Jeff about harvesting rain water for the storage tank. He said there was a creative Ranger Tug guy near Ketchikan who would probably like to tackle that idea. Is that you?

2) What's your recommendation for doing Glacier Bay. One of our itineraries has us there July 9-10 and the other two weeks later. Can I reserve both weeks or do I have to "cast my die" with one or the other? What happens if weather or schedule fouls arrival time? Is there merit to doing a tour out of Juneau to Glacier Bay rather than doing it on our own?

3) A couple wants to drive down from North Pole to meet us at Haines. We'd probably make the run to Skagway and back with them (although they may want to do Glacier Bay, too). What are the handling implications of an extra 350-400 pounds aboard a Ranger 25' (not to mention ability to move around--and sleep--in the cabin)?

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"Two If By Sea"

Norb:
I can make those dates work if you would like the company...To do justice to the Misty Fjords, you should really figure two nights/three days minimum. Go through Ketchikan first, fuel and supplies, then on to the West Behm and my place. and jump off from here. Then after the round island trip, end up back in Ketchikan to refuel and supply for the next leg of your trip. (If time allows, best schedule would be to spend one night at Ketchikan, one night at my dock, two more in the misty's and then again in Ketchikan before heading further north.)
Yes, I'm the guy Jeff refered too, but honestly, I have not been able to figure a way to catch water from the roof in any kind of good looking manner. We have been carrying drinking/coffee water in an extra container on deck. Water storage is short on the Ranger for SE Alaska.
I have not been north of Juneau by boat, so I cannot answer your questions regarding glacier bay. There is a great glacier between Petersburg and Juneau and I have been there. Takes an extra day on the way up or back. Last year we had lots of wind...which made the long trips like you plan not so enjoyable, albeit, the Ranger handled it well. I'm hoping for a better summer this year. Do you plan to trailer to Prince Rupert or come all the way up the inside passage through Canada? I have done that once in a larger boat....great trip. Ed
 
Norb: Regarding extra weight on board....we cruise with with easily an extra 300 plus lbs. on board and most of it on the back covered deck. I also tow a twelve foot Lund with a 4hp outboard for a shore boat. I think the handleing implications are minimal, however the space on deck is a real issue. I cannot immagine more than two persons on board for more than one day....I plan to take my dog this year on most of our shorter trips and am worried about space for him...in short, weight is not the issue...space is. ed
 
Norb: Regarding extra weight on board....we cruise with easily an extra 300 plus lbs. on board and most of it on the back covered deck. I also tow a twelve foot Lund with a 4hp outboard for a shore boat. I think the handleing implications are minimal, however the space on deck is a real issue. I cannot immagine more than two persons on board for more than one day....I plan to take my dog this year on most of our shorter trips and am worried about space for him...in short, weight is not the issue...space is. ed
 
Your plan sounds good, Ed. We'd enjoy your company and expertise on Behm Channel. We'll keep in touch and will know better when we might expect to arrive in Ketchikan when we leave from South Puget Sound.

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Hi tugnuts! I just joined this site. I'm not a Ranger owner, but sure enjoyed crawling all over an R-25 at the Seattle show a couple of years ago. Now I just have to see the 29.

Thought you might some of these thoughts on cruising Glacier Bay useful. We've done so 7 times starting with our first AK cruise in 1996, in our C-Dory 22.

Visiting Glacier is no trivial undertaking, as it is a very big place, and with its huge snow-covered mountains has some of the most challenging weather in Southeast. Distances are great, anchorages are few, and there are a number of restrictions required of visitors.

Only 25 boats are allowed in Glacier Bay at a time, and you need an entry permit from Park HQ at Bartlett Cove. Cruisers often make reservations ahead of time, and then find that weather or other difficulties make their planned schedule unworkable. From our experience, the best way to get a permit may be waiting to call Bartlett Cove until you’re close by (say at Hoonah or in Icy Strait), and the forecast for the next few days looks reasonable. For best odds, call right at 6 AM (they’re open 6 AM - 10:30 PM) on VHF channel12, or (907)697-2627. Chances are fairly good that a cancellation has freed up an entry permit, and if you’re nearby and ready, you can take advantage of it. If no permit is available, try again later or the next day – they don’t mind you asking again.

You’ll need a minimum of two days in Glacier Bay to make it to and from the Margerie Glacier. The Margerie is a spectacular and fairly active calving glacier you can get close to, some 65 miles from the entrance, at the top of Glacier Bay. On the way up, the Lamplugh and Johns Hopkins glaciers are spectacular as well. A third or fourth day would allow you to see more, at a less frantic pace, and also give you a better chance of dealing with uncooperative weather.

To start your Glacier Bay excursion, you must stop in at Park HQ, and attend an orientation on do’s and don’ts. As of 2008 the lecture was given only at pre-scheduled times, so you’ll want to plan your first day accordingly. You might try entering the Bay very early (calling Bartlett Cove to check in as soon as you cross the boundary). Tie up at the float, and catch the 8 AM orientation. With good weather, you should then be able to make it a good part of the way north, to an anchorage at Blue Mouse Cove, North Sandy Cove, or Reid Inlet.

Parts of the bay are whale waters, with boat speed limited to 13 knots. Even if you have a fast boat, you’ll find that first day very full, getting through the entry process and on to an anchorage, unless you anchor right there in Bartlett Cove (you can’t stay at the float – it’s limited to three hours max). If you anchor there, be aware that it’s open to the west, and can get pretty lumpy in a west wind. You could also anchor fairly close at Fingers Bay (entering carefully).

From Blue Mouse, North Sandy, or Reid, you could head north the next morning, spend 2-3 hours at the Margerie Glacier, and come back south to anchor again.

If you get back to Bartlett Cove for your last evening, and are out of permit days, you can always call to obtain a “transit permit” to leave the park the following day. My understanding is that you may request a transit permit to leave the park within the same day from any anchorage, but VHF radio contact is often not possible from the more northern anchorages.

If weather sounds intimidating, or you’re able to get only one or two permit days, a nice way to see Glacier Bay is the Fairweather Express tour boat, operated by the park lodge. For about $180 (in 2008) per person, you can have a wonderful day tour, seeing some of the finest glaciers and lots of wildlife, with friendly crew and an on-board naturalist. For us, one ticket cost about the same as touring the bay in our own boat. Even with only a single day’s permit, you could still enter Glacier Bay, get your orientation, and then anchor at Bartlett Cove. The next day, leaving your boat at anchor, you could row your dinghy in to the float and catch the tour boat (you may not operate any motor vessel without a permit for that day). On the third day you could call Park HQ to request a transit permit when you’re ready to go, and exit the park.
 
Just a quick comment about planning a cruise up the Inside Passage. Please expect that you will encounter days when you can't travel - either weather, tide/current, fuel, or equipment related. Especially early in the season (May/June) or late (Sept). We holed up for two days in Comox on our way up, and three days in Ketchikan on the way back waiting for calm enough seas. We ran all day in pea soup fog from Fury Cove to Sullivan Bay around Cape Caution - living on MARPA to track all the fishing boats. We had to wait two days for fuel in Kake - it was the 4th of July and they didn't open (hung over I guessed). Cruising on a tight schedule can get you in trouble...
Mac
 
I certainly agree with Island Ranger...Alaska waters are known for fast tides, funneled winds, few facilities and lots of isolated areas. One can get into trouble very fast here if schedule is made to be too important. Last year, we encountered 6 to 8 foot seas when leaving the Misty Fjords, south bound towards Ketchikan around Pt. Alava. The wind was blowing when we left. Thinking it was subsiding, we headed out to find it blowing 30 plus outside. Our Ranger 25, pulling a 12 ft. skiff got a very good work out and so did skipper and crew. Never let it happen to you! Take an extra day or two at anchor. Know your route and get the charts. Research all anchorage possibilities. You'll be a happy skipper.
 
I have been mostly a lake sailor here in Spokane with my R21. I have sailed to Alaska MANY times during my 25 years in the Coast Guard. How long does this inland passage trip take and where do you launch from? A couple of months is a long time to commit. Is there an abreviated version of this trip?

Thanks

Mark
 
Sure - drive up through BC to Prince Rupert, about a three-day haul from Spokane. From PR it's only 30 water miles or so to the southern border of Alaska. You can even store your truck and trailer underground, at the Philpott-Evitt Do-It center.

If you want to stay further south, and have less difficult weather, you can have a fine time in BC, launching in any of a bunch of different places.
 
Hi Mark -

You probably have a couple of choices. Which part of the Inside Passage would you like to cruise and how long would you like to spend? We went from South Whidbey (near Everett) and cruised to Tracy Arm (just South of Juneau) and back in two months - traveling at 10 kts most of the time. It took us 17 days to get there - and we just wandered our way back. Others have done the trip in 6 weeks.

The real problem is that there are a zillion great spots to stay along the way. It gets kinda hard to just keep traveling when you are already in beautiful country.

Mac
 
LIVINGSTONE 7.5' DINGY

I bought a new Livingston 7.5' dingy for my R25. With a set of Weaver Davits I have it hung on my swim transom. I have a set of stand-off arms to carry it vertical, but find that in medium seas and/or 10+ knots that the water bashes into it too much, so I have it leaning on the back rails instead. This makes a better angle and it is more "water friendly" and gives better rear-ward vision as it is about a foot lower. I rest it on pieces of kid's swimming noodles and have tiedowns.

I've only towed it once, on about 30' of line, and found it zig-zagging all the time -- probably in excess of 15' each side of centre line. With the Weaver Davits it won't get towed very much.

If I knew how to attach a photo, I could and I would.

Dave Trace
"Lobo"
 
Dave,
To attach the photo, you have to have it in your photo album. Then you go to the g2Img button and attach it from there. I would love to see a photo of the davits.
Thanks
David
 
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