True R-27 weight?

[BB marine]

Bill, I misunderstood your first post. That makes complete sense and is what I would expect the rig (boat and trailer) to weigh. You took it to the next level weighed it, no guessing.

 

[Todd2]

Bill,

I have a "Weigh Safe" load measuring hitch. My R-27 Classic weighs in (on the hitch tongue weight) at about 500lbs, also. I thought that was too light, but it trailers exceptionally well under all conditions I've encountered so far. It has never swayed, even after an emergency lane change, so I'm leaving it alone. Time will tell, though.

Safe travels.

Todd

 

[knotflying]

Thanks all for the good info!

My boat is the Luxury Edition, so it had the generator when weighed. Also, it has the Yamaha OB. ~ 560 lbs.
It seems to me that "Dry Weight" should include the boat with all factory equipment, less liquids and personal gear. Am I correct on this?
The fuel tank was 3/4 full, so that is about 700 lbs.
Fresh water and black water tanks were empty, and the only gear aboard was as delivered (minimal weight).

I can't have it weighed again as I do not have a trailer, which is why I'm asking the forum.
The first thing the dealer said to me when I stepped out of my 2012 V8 Toyota Tundra was "You can't tow this boat with that truck."

So, there is an extreme disparity between the dealer and RT's weights.

Thanks,
Jeff Radwill

Just to circle back to the comment that got this thread going about towing with the tundra. Regardless of the disparity of weights quoted here, there dealer was correct with his comment. I would say that most people on this site would agree that a 3/4 ton diesel is the better choice for towing. The weights quoted by the manufacturer is usually a bare bones assessment and considerably lower than actual. In my opinion their published weight is a given known. They could not possibly consider what an end user may add to the boat. Probably a simple statement listing what “dry weight” is would make the end user consider all the other weight considerations. I would say adding at least 2,000 pounds to the dry weight is a more accurate number for towing purposes.

 

[JeffRad54]

11,000 is far too high. My 2018 R27/OB when brand new and being lifted to the water for first time was shown by the lift's scale to be around 8,300 lbs. This was with kicker motor on swim step, maybe 60 gallons of fuel in the tank. a bit of fresh water in the tank, bottom painted and all the RT's safety gear that comes with the boat.

Baz,
Did your weight include a generator?

 

[Matty]

Generator weighs 400 lbs. The 11,000 quoted as written in post is still to high for dry weight. Like i said earlier that may have been a communication error.The 7,000 quoted in the online specs is much closer. You can add items on top of that as baz did. Still too much for a tundra when loaded plus trailer.

 

[JeffRad54]

Generator weighs 400 lbs. The 11,000 quoted as written in post is still to high for dry weight. Like i said earlier that may have been a communication error.The 7,000 quoted in the online specs is much closer. You can add items on top of that as baz did. Still too much for a tundra when loaded plus trailer.

What do you mean by 'when loaded'?
If I were to trailer, I would do so with no fuel, no water, empty waste tank, and all personal gear removed.
My Tundra can tow 5 tons. I admit, it will be close, depending on the trailer.

 

[JeffRad54]

Generator weighs 400 lbs. The 11,000 quoted as written in post is still to high for dry weight. Like i said earlier that may have been a communication error.The 7,000 quoted in the online specs is much closer. You can add items on top of that as baz did. Still too much for a tundra when loaded plus trailer.

Matty,
No communication error. He said 11,000, I heard 11,000.

 

[JeffRad54]

So what I am getting from all of this is that my Tundra 5.7L with towing package might or might not just barely be able to tow my somewhat 7,000 empty (totally empty) boat plus 2,000 lb trailer.
Dang. I did not want to have to buy a truck as well as a boat!

No matter. I would only want to trailer it for winter storage and there are other, albeit more expensive, options for that.
I'm a river cruiser, not a lake boater.

 

[scross]

I tow our 9,750 pound Ranger Tug 25 Classic with my specially equipped 4x4 5.7 liter V8 2011 Tundra without any problems. Just towed it back from Bellingham, WA to Ashland, OR (570 miles) last week without any problems.
That said, I do not have a lot of margin towing with the Tundra just going by all the numbers - I am under all gross towing weights by 6-10 percent.
I absolutely would not begin to try to use the Tundra to tow a Ranger Tug 27 with the Tundra! The 27 is much to heavy to tow with any Tundra IMHO.
If we ever get a 27, it means getting a 3/4 ton truck too.

 

[knotflying]

Generator weighs 400 lbs. The 11,000 quoted as written in post is still to high for dry weight. Like i said earlier that may have been a communication error.The 7,000 quoted in the online specs is much closer. You can add items on top of that as baz did. Still too much for a tundra when loaded plus trailer.

What do you mean by 'when loaded'?
If I were to trailer, I would do so with no fuel, no water, empty waste tank, and all personal gear removed.
My Tundra can tow 5 tons. I admit, it will be close, depending on the trailer.

You are really only kidding yourself. You will never have empty fuel. And if you think you will be having fun removing , clothes, dishes, toiletries, tools, spare parts, flashlights, batteries, anchor, chain , rode, chairs, dingy, dingy motor, hoses, spare oil, spare antifreeze, and whatever else I did not think of you will never tow your boat.
You may be good on a short run, but that’s it. You can try to convince yourself that you are good, but the worst drive ever is with a vehicle that is under capacity for the tow. The other consideration is the lack of safety and in the event of an accident a good reason for your insurer to deny a claim.
You can debate the published manufacturer’s numbers all you want, but I would go with the weight information from those who have done it and been there. I would say that most on this site would agree that a 3/4 ton diesel is the preferred vehicle for comfort and safety.

 

[Crewdog]

Looking at the published specs for Toyota Tundra,
https://www.toyota.com/tundra/2020/features/weights_capacities/8261/8272/8275
and looking under towing capacities, clicking on footnote 60 yields the following warning:


You might also want to pay special attention to the Tundra Owners Manual on starting on page 174 and especially the warnings starting on page 191.

And please don't forget to crawl under the truck and look for the towing capacity of the hitch itself, which should look something like this one on my F250:


And to top it off, let me just say that I spent a good part of my career as a TV News Photojournalist and it was my job to document all sorts of things, including car wrecks; so just remember that no matter where anyone trailers to, there's a camera crew, newspaper photog or live TV helicopter waiting for some manner of misery to photograph. Not to mention the ambulance chasing attorneys and insurance companies waiting to pounce on any mistake. Courtroom gigs were easy and indoors.

Oh, and please remember that towing capacity is not the same as STOPPING power.

 

[JeffRad54]

Generator weighs 400 lbs. The 11,000 quoted as written in post is still to high for dry weight. Like i said earlier that may have been a communication error.The 7,000 quoted in the online specs is much closer. You can add items on top of that as baz did. Still too much for a tundra when loaded plus trailer.

What do you mean by 'when loaded'?
If I were to trailer, I would do so with no fuel, no water, empty waste tank, and all personal gear removed.
My Tundra can tow 5 tons. I admit, it will be close, depending on the trailer.

You are really only kidding yourself. You will never have empty fuel. And if you think you will be having fun removing , clothes, dishes, toiletries, tools, spare parts, flashlights, batteries, anchor, chain , rode, chairs, dingy, dingy motor, hoses, spare oil, spare antifreeze, and whatever else I did not think of you will never tow your boat.
You may be good on a short run, but that’s it. You can try to convince yourself that you are good, but the worst drive ever is with a vehicle that is under capacity for the tow. The other consideration is the lack of safety and in the event of an accident a good reason for your insurer to deny a claim.
You can debate the published manufacturer’s numbers all you want, but I would go with the weight information from those who have done it and been there. I would say that most on this site would agree that a 3/4 ton diesel is the preferred vehicle for comfort and safety.

I appreciate what you are saying, however, my original question is what the boat actually weighs as delivered with generator, 50' of chain, safety gear and no fuel, water, or waste water. Is it 7,000 or 11,000 lbs.? I can do the needed calc's for fuel, personal gear, paper plates, toilet tissue, etc.
Also, I'm not debating anything. I'm asking.

 

[Matty]

Good luck having something not debated in a forum.
But answer as said numerous times here...it is clearly much closer to 7 000 than 11 000. I imagine you have concluded that by now as well

 

[JeffRad54]

I enjoy a good, polite debate as much as the next person.
That's how we share ideas and learn.

 

[knotflying]

The answer to what the boat weighs when delivered (IMO) does not really help you when you really need to know what you are when fully stocked and ready to go. I would say that those of us who tow and have stated our tow weights are a better indication as to what one would expect to encounter when using the boat and traveling. If one has to be careful of what they put on their boat because of marginal capacity of their tow vehicle then they should purchase a smaller boat or larger capacity vehicle. Items seem to accumulate on the boat as time goes on. If one is transporting from house to ramp then I would concede to a marginal tow vehicle, but for distance towing at highway speed I would recommend over capacity for ease of mind and comfort. My rule of thumb when it comes to safety is if you have to question a go/no go, and you are not absolutely sure, you already have your answer, don’t do it. You can never go wrong to err on the side of safety.

 

[jagizzi]

Just chiming in here as well. Our F-150 has a rated capacity of 10,700 lbs and it was for this reason that we went with the R23 over the R27. Loaded, with trailer, the 27 is too much for our truck to handle safely.

Our 23 weighed in at 8500 on the trailer at the I-5 scales. I don't want to be towing at the capacity of the truck but wish to stay significantly below that.

 

[bob daily]

So not to sound rude or nasty! I can't understand how someone can spend $250,000 for a item and then wondering how to get it home and use it. A 1/2 ton truck doesn't have the ability to SAFELY tow that size boat. A nice used truck is worth its weight in gold when going down hill and having your load push you and will cost less than 10% of that investment behind you.
I hope I didn't upset anyone, but a lot of good sailors have drowned trying to swim with too much anchor chain! Just my thoughts. Bob

 

[baz]

RT says my R27 dry weight is 7,000 lbs. My dealer says it is 11,000 lbs. after weighing on a truck scale and subtracting the 2000 lb. trailer weight.
Which is correct?

JeffRad54: There are a great number of people on this forum who do have much experience with boating and towing the boats. I know you asked a straight forward and unambiguous question and rightfully so having the two numbers (7,000 and 11,000) to ponder over. I do hope you take peoples' advice here and stay safe. 🙂

 

[Matty]

At the risk of reopening this topic i found third party verification of what most of us have been saying. That basicskly the 11,000 dry weight is not anywhere in the ball park and a trailering R27 needs a truck that can handle over 12,000.
If you look on the ranger tug site, select R27 model and scroll down past the picture gallery you will find a performance test by Yamaha. Gives the dry and weight as tested. As tested without trailer, personal items is 8600. You can add 2,000 for trailer and another 1,000 (at least) for personal items.
Not sure when this was posted as i have not seen it before.
Puts this topic to rest and probably opens new ones on the report.

 

[Godspeed]

I can give real world info on my Cutwater 30S.

The factory lit says the dry boat with out Gen, Air, and other add ons is 10,200. To error on the side of caution I had an 18,000 lb custom aluminum tri axel trailer built for the boat. When I weighed the trailer boat and F350 I was still surprised when the 3 came in at 25,000 lb. I then weighed just the truck (F350) and it weighed just over 8,000 pounds. So the trailer and boat combo come in at 17,000 lb combined total weight. The trailer mfg stated that the aluminum trailer would come in at about 1,900 pounds I think that is low as well and plan on weighing just the trailer this fall.

But all that said even if I up the trailer est to 2,500 lb the outfitted boat comes in at approx 14,500 lbs, 4,000 lbs over the mfg dry weight estimate.

I doubt that the add ons on my C30 are much greater than the R27.

So
Plan on 3000 + pounds above the mfg estimate for a dry boat to be safe. Best case is to weigh the boat and trailer equipped for cruising and know your actual circumstances that you are dealing with.

Good luck